so apparently Sage dealing a raid wide Aoe to his group is working as intended

[genbatzu]

real gameplay example:
Pandaemonium 3rd Circle.

I (Scholar) get matched with a Sage. Before the Fight starts I cast my usual buffed combination of "Protraction" + "Fey Illumination" + "Recitation" + "Adloquium" + "Deployment Tactics".
Sage immediately casts E.Prognosis afterwards, reducing shields of everyone, requiring earlier and more heals, wasting more oGCDs (next to the 60s, 2x 90s and 120s oGCDs wasted already) and reducing dmg output of both healers.

Phoinix readys a raid wide AoE, I again cast my "Protraction" + "Fey Illumination" + "Recitation" + "Adloquium" + "Deployment Tactics" to shield the group. Sage again overcasts it by E.Prognosis.
I now wasted 4 oGCDs again and have to top up the group as instead of the shield eating the dmg, they got "HP-DMG" which needs to be healed (and the Sage dealt "Shield-DMG" to the group, by reducing the shield to a fraction)

This happened throughout the whole fight on every occasion.

[ty_taurus]

real gameplay example:
Pandaemonium 3rd Circle.

I (Scholar) get matched with a Sage. Before the Fight starts I cast my usual buffed combination of "Protraction" + "Fey Illumination" + "Recitation" + "Adloquium" + "Deployment Tactics".
Sage immediately casts E.Prognosis afterwards, reducing shields of everyone, requiring earlier and more heals, wasting more oGCDs (next to the 60s, 2x 90s and 120s oGCDs wasted already) and reducing dmg output of both healers.

Phoinix readys a raid wide AoE, I again cast my "Protraction" + "Fey Illumination" + "Recitation" + "Adloquium" + "Deployment Tactics" to shield the group. Sage again overcasts it by E.Prognosis.
I now wasted 4 oGCDs again and have to top up the group as instead of the shield eating the dmg, they got "HP-DMG" which needs to be healed (and the Sage dealt "Shield-DMG" to the group, by reducing the shield to a fraction)

This happened throughout the whole fight on every occasion.

Have you by chance thought to talk with your cohealer when pairing with a Sage? I won't say you haven't, but I feel like if you just communicate with your cohealer in a raid, even a short message when you enter the fight--something like "Hey, <name>, can you let me handle raidwide barriers since our barriers don't stack?"

Quite literally any problems that SCH/SGE could possibly encounter together could just be resolved through a little bit of player communication, and the benefits both jobs offer should drastically outweigh the entirely avoidable negatives.

And as others have put, SCH/SGE is an incredibly powerful duo. I've been progging savage as a Sage (I've gotten up to A3S at the moment), and I have to say, I probably feel the most comfortable with a SCH who's access to Expedient, equally prominent mitigation tools, and colossal barriers have been making healing feel a lot smoother than even AST. Not that AST is in any way lacking in its ability, especially with Macrocosmos that can just undo nasty raidwides, but with a SCH, party HP just doesn't drop like it does when I'm partnered with an AST or WHM.

[genbatzu]

Have you by chance thought to talk with your cohealer when pairing with a Sage? I won't say you haven't, but I feel like if you just communicate with your cohealer in a raid, even a short message when you enter the fight--something like "Hey, <name>, can you let me handle raidwide barriers since our barriers don't stack?"

Quite literally any problems that SCH/SGE could possibly encounter together could just be resolved through a little bit of player communication, and the benefits both jobs offer should drastically outweigh the entirely avoidable negatives.

And as others have put, SCH/SGE is an incredibly powerful duo. I've been progging savage as a Sage (I've gotten up to A3S at the moment), and I have to say, I probably feel the most comfortable with a SCH who's access to Expedient, equally prominent mitigation tools, and colossal barriers have been making healing feel a lot smoother than even AST. Not that AST is in any way lacking in its ability, especially with Macrocosmos that can just undo nasty raidwides, but with a SCH, party HP just doesn't drop like it does when I'm partnered with an AST or WHM.

yes. on my example you quoted (the phoinix one) where it happened the first time to me. After i applied my barrier and it got overwritten by the sage (start of fight), I immediately asked him to please not overwrite my barriers with E.D. he never replied in chat and kept overwriting my barriers, i asked him again but he continued overwriting every single time and never wrote a word in chat.

on the flipside, iirc it was last week, i had the exact opposite experience with a sage (4th circle, iirc). as I wrote "friendly reminder that E.D. overwrites scholar's galvanize shields" in the party chat on fight start, he replied with "ok wont use gcd shields, ty"

although I had mixed results and SCH/SGE is a strong combo, i still never join a PF where a SGE is already present and when i open one myself, I always exclude SGE and only search WHM/AST.

[EaMett]

yes. on my example you quoted (the phoinix one) where it happened the first time to me. After i applied my barrier and it got overwritten by the sage (start of fight), I immediately asked him to please not overwrite my barriers with E.D. he never replied in chat and kept overwriting my barriers, i asked him again but he continued overwriting every single time and never wrote a word in chat.

on the flipside, iirc it was last week, i had the exact opposite experience with a sage (4th circle, iirc). as I wrote "friendly reminder that E.D. overwrites scholar's galvanize shields" in the party chat on fight start, he replied with "ok wont use gcd shields, ty"

although I had mixed results and SCH/SGE is a strong combo, i still never join a PF where a SGE is already present and when i open one myself, I always exclude SGE and only search WHM/AST.

Another thing to remember as SGE is if you're going to E.Diagnosis during downtime for extra Addersting stacks. Don't apply them to the SCH or the MT/OT. As those are generally the most likely players to get deployed shields from. Just shield yourself, and dps.

[Packetdancer]

Another thing to remember as SGE is if you're going to E.Diagnosis during downtime for extra Addersting stacks. Don't apply them to the SCH or the MT/OT. As those are generally the most likely players to get deployed shields from. Just shield yourself, and dps.

If I am in a raid roulette or whatever as SGE and find myself paired with a SCH, I tend to find a tiny bit of communication helps.

Like, "Hey, SCH, do you mind if I pre-pull shield these three folks, so that I get a full set of Addersting off of the first raid-wide?" or "When the boss is untargetable before adds, I'm going to shield myself and the two ranged to refill Addersting if needed, just so you know; I'll leave the tanks for you to shield and deploy from if needed." Generally the SCH is like "Sure!"

And then I do what I said, and otherwise I focus on direct healing and mitigation or regen; though SGE is a "barrier" healer, we have a stupid amount of options other than just simple shields.