I thought people might be exaggerating about SMN

[Ralts]

Imagine rubbing in that you have 5 buttons.

You do know that they could just give all of the summoners' skills their own hotbar, instead of placing them all in 2 spells and you will have the same amount of spells as other jobs?

Or they could also reduce the button bloat on other jobs' combos into one button like in pvp and they will almost have the same amount of skills as the summoner?

Imagine complaining having less skill slots to use, because they compressed 6 skills into 2 skills slots.

[Rolder50]

You do know that they could just give all of the summoners' skills their own hotbar, instead of placing them all in 2 spells and you will have the same amount of spells as other jobs?

Or they could also reduce the button bloat on other jobs' combos into one button like in pvp and they will almost have the same amount of skills as the summoner?

Imagine complaining having less skill slots to use, because they compressed 6 skills into 2 skills slots.

They could also just give you Ruin and summoning a primal gives you a buff that says "Turns Ruin Yellow / Red / Green" and it'd effectively be the same as current.

[Ralts]

They could also just give you Ruin and summoning a primal gives you a buff that says "Turns Ruin Yellow / Red / Green" and it'd effectively be the same as current.

Like blm; use up your mana then change to ice then back to fire? Or maybe paladin which is telling you what button to press next?
I dunno man. It's their supposed rotation now. Every job has their own rotation in this game.

[Rolder50]

Like blm; use up your mana then change to ice then back to fire? Or maybe paladin which is telling you what button to press next?
I dunno man. It's their supposed rotation now. Every job has their own rotation in this game.

BLM managing their mana is already light years more depth then current SMN, so...?

[Ralts]

BLM managing their mana is already light years more depth then current SMN, so...?

Ok? They have their own difficulty level. The new summoner is beginner friendly. Eh, whatever. You win. There were good critiscism in this thread, but this kind of back and forth is not for me. I hope you get to enjoy the new smn, or atleast find a class that will suit you until the next expansion. Bye

[Madoka]

Like blm; use up your mana then change to ice then back to fire? Or maybe paladin which is telling you what button to press next?
I dunno man. It's their supposed rotation now. Every job has their own rotation in this game.

The difference is that BLM has a reason to want to switch which spell they use. SMN has no reason to cast anything besides one specific spell and no rotational differences to even try besides straight up not using the gemshine abilities (fancy ruin). BLM can do things like the paradox rotation and never even touch fire4, and even on the normal rotation they cast several tiers of spells across the rotation. We just use the Ruin available to us at that level and dont even have ruin 2 anymore as another option.

[SieyaM]

The difference is that BLM has a reason to want to switch which spell they use. SMN has no reason to cast anything besides one specific spell and no rotational differences to even try besides straight up not using the gemshine abilities (fancy ruin). BLM can do things like the paradox rotation and never even touch fire4, and even on the normal rotation they cast several tiers of spells across the rotation. We just use the Ruin available to us at that level and dont even have ruin 2 anymore as another option.

So you aren't using you're astral flow abilities at all? well there is your problem

[tearagion]

So you aren't using you're astral flow abilities at all? well there is your problem

there are 3 non-oGCD astral flow abilities a minute, 8.5s of things that don't just feel like ruin spam.

[Darthgummibear]

Looks up level 80 Summoner who has never downed an extreme or savage boss, u wot.

First, I'm not 80 on my SMN. No idea whose character you are looking at but it isn't mine. Second, clearing savage content has absolutely zero relevance to the OP. Implying that only people who clear the bleeding edge content have a right to an opinion on class design is asinine.

[skooma_dealer]

Pardon, but I happened to look up your character, and you seem to be doing Savage on Samurai and not Summoner. So, how exactly would you know how Summoner plays in Savage?

I did Extremes on my smn and since I already know mechanics in savage raids (in first two at least), I'm pretty sure what to expect there on smn. It maybe not that hard to play current summoner, but saying "use whatever is available without consequence" is just not true. Also did you check other players in this thread on savage progress?