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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Theoretically, the PC could stay behind in the World Unsundered and help Venat (?) stop the OG Final Days, but that raises two big issues:
    Issues which disappear if the timeline was simply split. Then their timeline could be saved without impacting our own. As for the trouble of WoL returning to the present, there isn't any evidence of such a thing being impossible, G'raha never even made an attempt for such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kordarion View Post
    It's the same reason that before Endwalker had even released that I knew the Scions were never going to be killed off, they are a necessary part of the trust system.
    I've never understood this argument. We see in Elpis that new Trust members can be switched in at any time.
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    Lyanneth Greywolfe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    Issues which disappear if the timeline was simply split. Then their timeline could be saved without impacting our own. As for the trouble of WoL returning to the present, there isn't any evidence of such a thing being impossible, G'raha never even made an attempt for such a thing.


    I've never understood this argument. We see in Elpis that new Trust members can be switched in at any time.
    In regards to the timeline being split, yes us changing the past doesn't wipe out our original timeline. However without us returning to our present, said timeline lacks the knowledge of and ability to fight meteion and permanently end the final days. Sure they could just flee the star but meteion's song is broadcasting to every corner of the universe, there is simply no where they could run where the final days wouldn't follow, therefore dooming them all to die. This means they can't be saved and there in lies the question, do you choose to save people you've just met from certain death and doom your friends to die? or do you instead save your friends and leave the virtual strangers to die?

    It is true that there is no evidence that we couldn't cross the timelines and save both, but in the same vein there is no evidence that says we could either. Again it comes down to whether or not you value the lives of the scions more than the lives of the ancients or visa versa, you can likely save one group but we have no possible way of knowing if you could save both.

    On the trust point, I agree that trust members can be swapped out in scenario mode, although this wasn't something we knew they wanted to do before endwalker released and in hindsight it does make this sort of a moot point. But before endwalker the only exception to the scions being the only trust npc's was lyna in Holminster Switch and even then she was supplementary and not replacing the scions. But even during the endwalker MSQ I knew they couldn't kill off the scions because during Ultima Thule there was no one else to replace them in the final dungeon for the trust.
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    Last edited by Kordarion; 01-08-2022 at 05:11 PM.