More downgrades...(Pandaemonium Savage spoilers)

[Jandor]

While i understand being disappointed by p2 not having an original song, it only takes a few seconds to go through all the previous p2's to realize that only one other p2 has an original song (o12s), while every other one is a slightly updated remix of an old ff theme (o4s is ff5, o8s is ff6, and e12s is ff8), so calling this a downgrade is weird.

I think Endwalker is a victim of its own hype, and XIV of its own success. People had grand expectations and feel a bit let down by the amount of stuff that has been reused, even though when you actually go through it and compare we're in about the same place now as Shadowbringers was on its own release.

[Melorie]

If you're going to stick to that mentality of only dungeons, raids and a market board, then I am sorry but you're neglecting a large portion of the game already (still in development btw) - Each of which have their own themes and sets of glamour.

Everyone has their favourite parts of the game, though. You probably have things you don't care for as well, and things you care more than the rest. If certain things are more important for them than the rest, is it surprising that they feel disappointed? The only way of showing the devs that they're disappointed is going to the place meant for feedback (the forums) and talk about it. Coming here and writing walls of text trying to convince them that they're being "limited" and that they should look at other parts of the game that maybe aren't that significant for them is just going to develop into a loooong discussion that, honestly, reaches nowhere. You made your point, you think that this issue isn't essential. Trying to convince people that this is trivial and that they're looking at the game in a way that is limited at this point won't change much, imo. Keep on if you wish, I'm just warning you that at this point it's a matter of what is important to each person here and what it isn't and there's not much else to be said.

[Gameovers]

I don't think OP is wrong presay, but all I will say is I think people SERIOUSLY underplay how bad COVID is. I'm an army veteran, and the VA and government is mostly behind on GOOD days. Since Tom Clancey's The Division hit us the VA has been even SLOWER then thought possible. Hell People who I know that work government jobs or simply normal jobs like at the sears tower have been sent home since the start of this and STILL haven't been working back at the office. It's been a year and they are still working from home. Looking at just what Covid has done to local crap that I can see I can only picture it's much much worst in bigger parts of the world.

Again I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to complain, shit I got my own issues with EW. Mostly on the job side. There are jobs that should be much better and they still play like shit and have played like crap since HW. THis game has issues that need to be pointed out. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Covid didn't effect them so bad that things should be perfect because covid slowed things that I can see down to an insane degree. And if things at my level have slowed then it has to be worse in bigger areas. Shit Buying a freaking PS5 is hell on earth, cars are effected and who knows what else.

All I'm saying OP is while the music reuse is an issue, just don't cut out how bad covid is tho. I don't think it's an excuse.

[kpxmanifesto]

Bringing light to an issue is 1 thing entirely, but to use such a restrictive dataset in order to present your criticism as a fact is something entirely different. Music exists outside of the scope of both dungeons and raids. Hence why I said I would reserve my judgement in this regard until they've started actually pushing out side content. Because, you know, themes can exist in there too.

But like I said to someone else, if your only yardstick is going to be quantity then you're just creating something that can lead to stagnation. Because how dare they try and branch out and shift their focus from being a wider content scope as opposed to a narrow one.

Ok so now that you understand that the feedback is indeed actionable, what I'm taking from your post here is that skimping out on some content is excusable as long as there's other content. I'm gonna disagree with you there. I'd rather have ample content in one zone before resources are devoted to another.

[Kaurhz]

Everyone has their favourite parts of the game, though. You probably have things you don't care for as well, and things you care more than the rest. If certain things are more important for them than the rest, is it surprising that they feel disappointed? The only way of showing the devs that they're disappointed is going to the place meant for feedback (the forums) and talk about it. Coming here and writing walls of text trying to convince them that they're being "limited" and that they should look at other parts of the game that maybe aren't that significant for them is just going to develop into a loooong discussion that, honestly, reaches nowhere. You made your point, you think that this issue isn't essential. Trying to convince people that this is trivial and that they're looking at the game in a way that is limited at this point won't change much, imo. Keep on if you wish, I'm just warning you that at this point it's a matter of what is important to each person here and what it isn't and there's not much else to be said.

No it isn't but don't draw examples strictly from areas in the game with which you're interested in then try and present them as factual pieces of information. Like I said, interest or no interest, areas exist outside of dungeons and raids and shall continue to do so for the proceeding future. For example, the previous raid series Nier was a collaboration with practically every theme coming from the game itself. I'm sure things such as this pay absolutely no contribution whatsoever (/s) and given that the large scale raid tier this expansion is intended to be more original than a collaboration. I'm sure the nature of this is definitely no reason whatsoever why they had some sparing resources to remix themes in Omega. <- That's an example of why it's an issue to use such a limited scope of information to try and present factual pieces of information. Anyone is free to express their disapproval at the lack of themes in a particular area but don't present it like this consistent through the course of the game.

I don't care if people have an opinion. But I care if that information is presented as fact and used as the sole piece of evidence in order to try and discredit arguments or disagreements made against it

Ok so now that you understand that the feedback is indeed actionable, what I'm taking from your post here is that skimping out on some content is excusable as long as there's other content. I'm gonna disagree with you there. I'd rather have ample content in one zone before resources are devoted to another.

That much has always been understandable. But as I said it isn't exactly constructive, nor is it critical in a sense. You can see above for my reason on this basis. On this point the developers know far more where their resources are going than a thread with a fairly restrictive scope.

Except there is arguably a sufficient amount of content in this area to justify resources being spent in another. Just do a comparison between the wider scope of content being developed as the expansion has gone by. If these areas of content do not fit within your interests then that is a you problem. Not a developer problem. You seem to be of the illusion that many of these resources aren't going into content that is practically equivalent. Development time is a finite resource, and the ability to find talented individuals to develop said content is a logistical one. - I don't know about you but I'd take the direction we've taken with content thus far than if Shadowbringers content-wise were only going to be a reskin of SB in terms of content.

If we're on the subject of 'taking things' from posts, then the only thing I can take from yours is they shouldn't bother to spread their content simply because you're upset a few assets got recycled to compensate, or because they dropped a dungeon (sinful) But hey if you rather they focus all their core efforts into a singular are of the game then you do you. That's an opinion more than anything else. As is me saying I'd prefer them to have a nice wide scope of content that people from all areas of the game can enjoy. - To be frank if I got another version of Stormblood where they didn't branch out significantly then I probably would have dropped the game long ago.

[KizuyaKatogami]

While i understand being disappointed by p2 not having an original song, it only takes a few seconds to go through all the previous p2's to realize that only one other p2 has an original song (o12s), while every other one is a slightly updated remix of an old ff theme (o4s is ff5, o8s is ff6, and e12s is ff8), so calling this a downgrade is weird.

i mean im not particularly against remixes. Remixes or not, eden still had more overall songs, more than double pandaemonium has in fact which is why i brought it up. If we arent counting remixes then pandaemonium only has one song this entire tier since p4's theme is just a remix of the other bosses theme.My overall point is i think its a bit sad that we arent at the very least getting the same amount of stuff weve seen in past expansions, in this case the tier music, especially in the expansion succeeding the one that made the most money. Thats all im saying.The no voice acting along with the no p2 music is whats sad, as even the ending cutscene teasing pandaemonium had voice acting. I thought with the second and 3rd tiers of eden we were finally seeing some upgrades in raid content only for them to drop the ball so far with it now.

[kpxmanifesto]

But as I said it isn't exactly constructive, nor is it critical in a sense.

No, it is constructive, and we weren't discussing whether its critical or not. You just refuse to believe it's constructive because it goes against your narrative. OP feels that the raid lacks diversity in music and requests more. That's a clear cut case of constructive criticism. No amount of saying "no it isn't" won't change that fact. I understand you feel upset that people are criticizing one of your favorite video games, but I promise you, you will get over it.

[Kaurhz]

No, it is constructive, and we weren't discussing whether its critical or not. You just refuse to believe it's constructive because it goes against your narrative. OP feels that the raid lacks diversity in music and requests more. That's a clear cut case of constructive criticism. No amount of saying "no it isn't" won't change that fact. I understand you feel upset that people are criticizing one of your favorite video games, but I promise you, you will get over it.

No it isn't because the post doesn't take into account the full extent of the game. The OP created the thread pushing the agenda that everything in the game is seeing downgrades, drawing 'examples' from recycled gear assets. They were hardly concerned about the variety as much as they were as pushing that the entirety of the game is on a downgrade - Based on what precisely? A couple of encounters out of an entire expansion still in ongoing development. Being this upset over a missed remixed theme from an older game in the franchise is borderline ludicrous. - Especially when said person has already made several threads on said issue. Like I said, in other threads, you really want to cry about recycled assets when we barely have enough space to hold the assets we already have..??? - And you really want to draw this comparison from expansion where the entirety of the 24-man raid series had themes from the game they were collaborative..? Seems like a pretty disingenuous comparison to make, what with the sparing resources they'd have had as a result.

To be frank I don't care if my 'favourite' game is criticised, I'm just expressing my disagreement with the gravity of the issue, or the perspective with which is handled, perhaps you should create the distinction that a clash of opinions are going to happen on a forum. If you wish to boil that down to fanboyism then be my guest. - It's both comedic and ironic that someone should call out this behaviour when they can barely handle people disagreeing with their criticism without trying to misconstrue the argument or narrative as me being 'upset'. - But I promise you, one day you will understand.

[Duskane]

its because 90% of eden tracks are remixes
FF8 and primals
same with Omega

not sure why people are going back and forth with soken health or Covid
ground work was there for last two raids with pandæmonium all were created from scratch because people wanted new and original raids again.

[Driavna]

I think Endwalker is a victim of its own hype, and XIV of its own success. People had grand expectations and feel a bit let down by the amount of stuff that has been reused, even though when you actually go through it and compare we're in about the same place now as Shadowbringers was on its own release.

I actually going to disagree with you, I personally never had any type of expectations and I consider myself an easy player to please, yet I have notice a drop from SB moving forward. We are just getting less replayable content than ever and way to much "once and done" for my taste, sure the quality in that regard has improve but FFXIV is still a videogame.