Skills should scale down in lower content NOT be greyed out.

[Powercow]

How exactly are they being "screwed over"?

Imagine you queue into Stone Vigil with a level 90 whm. His Cure 2 heals for, say, 1k. You can do big ol' pulls, you got Tetragrammation and Assize and Benediction and Benison and Holy and like 5 other helpful buttons. You can do big, reckless pulls with no worries at all.

Now imagine you queue into it with a level 40 whm. He has Cure 2 for 1k and nothing else.

The tank does a big pull in the first instance, it goes smoothly, everyone has a good time. The tank does a big pull in the second instance and dies. People blame the healer.

And before you think, "oh people won't do that" then you clearly haven't queued for MSQ recently. A lot, and I mean a *lot* of people drop Castrum at the drop of a hat because it's less efficient. People WILL kick the newbie healer if getting a higher level one could make the run smoother.

Now, extrapolate that to every role, in every dungeon. Got a level 22 archer instead of a 90 bard? Boot him, get someone who does good DPS. Level 31 paladin instead of a 90 paladin? Give 'im the boot.

Also think how confused a new player will be. Let's say you get a 90 warrior in Haukke Manor and he can pull the entire first floor and take no damage. As a newbie healer, you might think, "wow, warriors are super strong!" The next time, you get a level 35 warrior, he does like 2 pulls and dies because you were expecting him to be invincible so you never healed him.

The very minor inconvenience for higher level players isn't worth ruining the experience of new players.

[Gullis]

LoL scale down attacks, how do you scale down a player with 20 abilitys to perform the same as a player with 5? Id love to see it.

What about low level dungeons where most dps dont have their aoes? Tanks with 6 defensives vs 2?

[Katie_Kitty]

Imagine you queue into Stone Vigil with a level 90 whm. His Cure 2 heals for, say, 1k. You can do big ol' pulls, you got Tetragrammation and Assize and Benediction and Benison and Holy and like 5 other helpful buttons. You can do big, reckless pulls with no worries at all.

Now imagine you queue into it with a level 40 whm. He has Cure 2 for 1k and nothing else.

The tank does a big pull in the first instance, it goes smoothly, everyone has a good time. The tank does a big pull in the second instance and dies. People blame the healer.

And before you think, "oh people won't do that" then you clearly haven't queued for MSQ recently. A lot, and I mean a *lot* of people drop Castrum at the drop of a hat because it's less efficient. People WILL kick the newbie healer if getting a higher level one could make the run smoother.

Now, extrapolate that to every role, in every dungeon. Got a level 22 archer instead of a 90 bard? Boot him, get someone who does good DPS. Level 31 paladin instead of a 90 paladin? Give 'im the boot.

Also think how confusing a new player will be. Let's say you get a 90 warrior in Haukke Manor and he can pull the entire first floor and take no damage. As a newbie healer, you might think, "wow, warriors are super strong!" The next time, you get a level 35 warrior, he does like 2 pulls and dies because you were expecting him to be invincible so you never healed him.

The very minor inconvenience for higher level players isn't worth ruining the experience of new players.

Yep.. if you wanna see this in action, take a look at Blue Mage.

When I was leveling BLU, I took a break at lvl50 to do the ARR extremes. Sounds like a fun, good idea, right? Lvl 50 BLU in the lvl50 trials. Great!

Except, it wasn't great. I was level 50. I did not have access to Aetherial mimicry, so the response was immediately, "Where's your mimic?" "Why don't you have mimic?"

Mimic is a lvl60 skill.

[Velnora]

Yeah, you can continue to twist around words. It doesn't help your point. I never said that improving the game is a burden on the dev team. It's asinine logic to take something out of context so it fits your narrative. In this case, that would be thinking that your idea being shut down somehow translates to not wanting to improve the game. Where on Earth do you get that kind of ego? Seriously.

BTW, roulettes are totally optional. You don't need them to acquire max level tomes. Again I will say that those rewards are due compensation for assisting the community to getting to where you are at. The roulettes are not there for you. They are there for the entire playerbase. Don't like being synced down to their level? Too bad. Go play another mmo.

You are assuming it is a huge burden, and for only a miniscule portion of the community. Where do you get YOUR ego. Also, that isn't taking taking anything out of context. You literally said it would be a burden. Regardless whether you think it is an improvement or not.

[DinahDemiurge]

Level 90 player synched down is using their full kit but the lvl50 player not synched only has access to their lvl50 kit. Yeah, that's not gonna fly. You'd get people leaving or kicking first-timers the moment they appear.

Wonder how it is the other MMOs that do scaling right don't have this problem. Curious.

[Velnora]

Imagine you queue into Stone Vigil with a level 90 whm. His Cure 2 heals for, say, 1k. You can do big ol' pulls, you got Tetragrammation and Assize and Benediction and Benison and Holy and like 5 other helpful buttons. You can do big, reckless pulls with no worries at all.

Now imagine you queue into it with a level 40 whm. He has Cure 2 for 1k and nothing else.

The tank does a big pull in the first instance, it goes smoothly, everyone has a good time. The tank does a big pull in the second instance and dies. People blame the healer.

And before you think, "oh people won't do that" then you clearly haven't queued for MSQ recently. A lot, and I mean a *lot* of people drop Castrum at the drop of a hat because it's less efficient. People WILL kick the newbie healer if getting a higher level one could make the run smoother.

Now, extrapolate that to every role, in every dungeon. Got a level 22 archer instead of a 90 bard? Boot him, get someone who does good DPS. Level 31 paladin instead of a 90 paladin? Give 'im the boot.

Also think how confused a new player will be. Let's say you get a 90 warrior in Haukke Manor and he can pull the entire first floor and take no damage. As a newbie healer, you might think, "wow, warriors are super strong!" The next time, you get a level 35 warrior, he does like 2 pulls and dies because you were expecting him to be invincible so you never healed him.

The very minor inconvenience for higher level players isn't worth ruining the experience of new players.

Low level dungeons are already not balanced as is. And these events already occur, with people being the same level.

[Bobby66]

LUL imagine even having a scaled down version of warrior sustain at the lower levels. Would be funny.

[Mikey_R]

Wonder how it is the other MMOs that do scaling right don't have this problem. Curious.

They work on different systems that make scaling things easier or they just don't give a rats arse. This was the whole point of me asking how other MMOs worked and how well the scaling was done. As a summary, if your MMO gives you most things at an early level, it is going to be much easier to scale than one that gives you things periodically throughout all levels.

[DinahDemiurge]

They work on different systems that make scaling things easier or they just don't give a rats arse. This was the whole point of me asking how other MMOs worked and how well the scaling was done. As a summary, if your MMO gives you most things at an early level, it is going to be much easier to scale than one that gives you things periodically throughout all levels.

Here's the thing. We used to have our full kits at level 50. Granted, the kits were smaller than the 3.0 kits, but the point remained that they were the full kits at the time. Now? The level 50 dungeons we have half our kit. How is that okay when it used to be for a full kit?

[Miles064]

They work on different systems that make scaling things easier or they just don't give a rats arse. This was the whole point of me asking how other MMOs worked and how well the scaling was done. As a summary, if your MMO gives you most things at an early level, it is going to be much easier to scale than one that gives you things periodically throughout all levels.

Are you assuming it would be done exactly like how other mmos do it? The example i gave was how WoW handled it. Someone else mentioned how GW2 handled it. Why would we assume FF wouldn't have it's own way of doing it with a way that works better for the game itself. At this point getting anything below like 70 sucks. SE back loaded all the good stuff. Hell, they could just revamp the levels you get things and that alone would help the issue.