I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

[Caurcas]

All I've gathered from this thread is that some people have a difficult time parsing embarrassingly heavy-handed subtext. They're even explicitly compared to Squall / Rinoa at one point lmao. Bizzare.

This is FF14, not FF8. Sure it can have call backs, but the story is not the same.

[Melorie]

This is FF14, not FF8. Sure it can have call backs, but the story is not the same.

The history doesn't need to be identical for people to see the subtext and thus, develop headcanons.

[Vav2021]

Conversely, never before have I seen so many straight people try so very hard to reinforce the Gals Being Pals™ trope because they can't handle the thought of a wholesome lesbian teenage romance in their MMO

A lot of people in the thread that aren't straight (Yours truly included) disagree.

with a massive LGBT playerbase

Don't care.

and numerous queer characters.

Don't care

bigots.

Someone's trying throw around flattery?

[Lunalepsy]

OMG, this thread is still alive!

[Exosapien]

All these people upset about "underage lgbt representation" being "inappropriate" only see LGBT people as sex objects and somehow have forgotten that teens have romantic relationships without any kind of sexual activity all the time. Some of the most famous literature of all time is about teenage relationships. It's only deemed inappropriate when it's LGBT people for the simple reason that a whole lot of people can only see LGBT people as sex objects. Which is pretty ironic, truth be told. Meanwhile those same people will go out and try to play match-up with their toddlers at the park. Talking about how their barely walking child is "such a flirt." Or purchase onesies that say things like "Lady Killer."

LGBT people were/are also teenagers at one point and we have/had non-sexual relationships. Romance between any two teenagers is not inappropriate as long as you keep it out of the gutter and don't force sexual behavior into them when it's not even present.

[Rinhi]

All these people upset about "underage lgbt representation" being "inappropriate" only see LGBT people as sex objects and somehow have forgotten that teens have romantic relationships without any kind of sexual activity all the time. Some of the most famous literature of all time is about teenage relationships. It's only deemed inappropriate when it's LGBT people for the simple reason that a whole lot of people can only see LGBT people as sex objects. Which is pretty ironic, truth be told. Meanwhile those same people will go out and try to play match-up with their toddlers at the park. Talking about how their barely walking child is "such a flirt." Or purchase onesies that say things like "Lady Killer."

LGBT people were/are also teenagers at one point and we have/had non-sexual relationships. Romance between any two teenagers is not inappropriate as long as you keep it out of the gutter and don't force sexual behavior into them when it's not even present.

uh... what?
are you damien's alt, by any chance?
the majority of the thread are people of various sexualities, most of them gay and lesbian, saying that they don't see the apparent romantic relationship and just a friendship (canon btw) and that they do not like that a minority are pushing their romance headcanon as the one truth, said minority attacking and insulting the first group throughout the whole topic, for example by calling them bigots for politely disagreeing, fake gays because a true gay wouldn't disagree or like you, go on wild assumptions
like, how the eff do you come up with that stuff? what does that have to do with the topic? are you saying LGBT people are playing match-up with their kids and others? not only do cishets don't do that, but neither do LGBTs
implying that every person disagreeing is a straight person seeing anything LGBT as nothing more than a sex object and then directly implying something worse in the next sentence
yikes, dude

[Exosapien]

uh... what?
are you damien's alt, by any chance?
the majority of the thread are people of various sexualities, most of them gay and lesbian, saying that they don't see the apparent romantic relationship and just a friendship (canon btw) and that they do not like that a minority are pushing their romance headcanon as the one truth, said minority attacking and insulting the first group throughout the whole topic, for example by calling them bigots for politely disagreeing, fake gays because a true gay wouldn't disagree or like you, go on wild assumptions
like, how the eff do you come up with that stuff? what does that have to do with the topic? are you saying LGBT people are playing match-up with their kids and others? not only do cishets don't do that, but neither do LGBTs
implying that every person disagreeing is a straight person seeing anything LGBT as nothing more than a sex object and then directly implying something worse in the next sentence
yikes, dude

I never said anything about "true gays" or "fake gays" so I'll ignore that part because why you're attributing that to me I'll never understand. As for "lgbt and cishets don't do that" yes, they do. Parents do this nonsense all the time. I've seen strangers comments on my godson's looks talking about how he's gonna "break all the ladies hearts." (he's seven, gross) There's literally apparel you can buy for infants that forces a sexuality on them. This isn't some made up nonsense, it's literally a google search away. You can buy the trash on amazon probably.

However, to show the relevance of what I posted, I'll go fetch the quotes.

1.

Never before have I seen people argue and insist so heatedly that two underaged teenage females are in a romantic relationship with one another on a game as intensely as this before. It's quite concerning.

2.

Doesn't change the fact that they're underage, even if both are ?

3.

for the love of god please stop trying to push for two underaged girls to be gay, do you have nothing better to do than force your headcanon shipping onto others and using every possibly excuse why it's not "obvious"?! SE has no problems with straight up gay characters and yet there is not a single indication that ryne and gaia are in love, a relationship or anything of the sort, it's f*cking creepy.

I think I can actually just stop there because that's literally you.



How about people just literally being actual bigots in this thread?

Anyone else crave Chick-Fil-A during Pride month even more than usual?

Here's another one that proves my point about how some people only see LGBT people as sex objects:

Imagine ignoring the entire storyline being about keeping your friends and family safe all while protecting your current identity/self from the past you, a different you while your old lover who you don't even remember is mind controlling you into destroying everything you currently hold dear.

Nah they just wanna flick each other's beans. Stuff is gold.

Anyway, I didn't say all straight people act a certain way, I never said all gay people act a certain way. I simply made a statement about some of the sentiment in this thread. You happened to fall under the umbrella of "people who can only see lgbt people as sex objects" based on post (some of which quoted above) in this very thread- that's not commenting on your personal sexuality. I don't know you, your gender or your sexuality. My comment was a response to a sentiment you happened to have voiced yourself (that thing I quoted of you literally saying it). All the other stuff about "true" and "fake" gays is irrelevant because I have no horse in that race.

I didn't imply that any entire group of people does anything, and if it seems like I did, I wasn't being clear enough. I'm responding to the things I've read is this actual thread, and experiences I've had.

As for whether Ryne and Gaia are a thing, I literally could not care. I sat next to my boyfriend when the giant rainbow crystal appeared on his screen, pointed at it and said, "Ha! Gay!" and that's all I've cared to think about it myself. If other people interpret a story differently who tf cares? I can see it being interpreted that they are, and also that they are just friends. Either way NEITHER ONE IS A PROBLEM and everyone arguing about it needs to get a grip.

And who tf is damien?

Yikes, dude.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't think that disinterest in allowing one's sexuality to be exploited and promoted for point scoring exercises at every possible turn is equal to self hate.

100%

[EmoPanther]

Why is this thread not dead yet? Y'all been beating this horse well past the point of death.

[Lauront]

I would like to remind just about everyone in this thread that the ignore command on the forum exists and you should probably use it when you encounter bigots. They will not be changing their mind so best to save your attention span, sanity, and happiness.

I agree, especially the kind that go around calling people "bigots".