Echo VS Blessing Of Light

[Necrotica]

We did, seeing the thing that happened with the founders of the high houses and the Eyes, and Hraesvelgr giving Nidhogg his eye.

Also we could still understand all speech which is a power granted by the echo.

[shadowclasper]

it might be a case of not all B is A, but all A is B.

I find it unlikely that anybody could get the blessing of light without first having the Echo, at least, we've seen nothing related to it.

It could be considered superfluous to refer to the Echo when you also have the Blessing of Light?

[Elladie]

You just need to keep playing, folks, this is all cleared up later in the MSQ. We are specifically told by an NPC, who indisputably knows what they are talking about, what it is that prevents the WoL (and presumably the others too) being tempered and where it comes from

[manamoppet]

Wonder if they will bring up the concern of Zodiark tempering us. Or just ignore it.

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After the battle with Zodiark and some other cutscenes when you meet together and you get to take a rest in your room, there is a prompt to select a guest which comes to check on you (similar to in the final role quest in ShB). Selecting Y'shtola gives a cutscene where she inspect your aether for changes, but find that you're fine after experiencing the great forces of Zodiark.

So we're not tempered by Zodiark.

[shadowclasper]

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So. I just hit a point in Endwalker with SPOILERS below.

After you first meet venat in elpis she says she senses a traveler's protection ward of her own making on you. I think the echo doesn't naturally convey protection against primal tempering, I think it's just at the same time you hear 'hear, feel, think' you end up getting her to pass that much onto you no matter what. She might give -more- than that as well to certain people, but the warding against tempering she gives to literally everyone with the echo.

[Cleretic]

So. I just hit a point in Endwalker with SPOILERS below.

After you first meet venat in elpis she says she senses a traveler's protection ward of her own making on you. I think the echo doesn't naturally convey protection against primal tempering, I think it's just at the same time you hear 'hear, feel, think' you end up getting her to pass that much onto you no matter what. She might give -more- than that as well to certain people, but the warding against tempering she gives to literally everyone with the echo.

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

[MirronTulaxia]

I think… this is just in the long run going to be something they’ll need to explain. It’s just too inconsistent really.

[shadowclasper]

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

I think I have an answer even to that, but they really do need to address it.

I don't think it is entirely contradictory. I think that the whole 'push energy into us' part of the blessing of light is granted only to her champions, but everyone else is, full stop, granted the protection from primals, because the whole 'prevent your aether from being disrupted' I'm willing to bet -also- protects you from dynamis shoving your aether out of your body and morphing you into a monster, since the whole point of the warding spell is to prevent your aether from being depleted or directly manipulated by outside forces.

It doesn't matter how evil you are if that's the -actual- purpose of the anti-primal defense of the blessing of light. Because Hydaelen doesn't -care- about you as a moral human being, she's gonna assume you're not interested in the world ending regardless of your moral stance and put it on autopilot along with the vision granted to everyone who activates their echo.

[JeanneOrnitier]

One possibility is that

Hydaelyn just gives the blessing of light to anyone who can hear her, both those with natural Echoes and the Resonant, and it's just that people with Crystals of Light like the Wol, Ysayle, and Ardbert's party have an even stronger blessing than everyone else. I agree I hope this inconsistency is something they address though.

[RyuDragnier]

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

Doesn't really mangle anything IMO.

The Echo itself, and its artificial form, Resonant, both give the user access to power they would have had as an Ancient. In both cases, this means strengthening their Aether, and thus increasing the resilience against tempering, which is a form of Aether corruption. The only difference is that the Echo is obtained naturally, and the Resonant is unnaturally obtained.