Will SMN really stay like it is rn?

[IncrediblyConfused]

Hey people,

first of all: this is not a rant, because I really wanted to play this job and still want to get where the appeal to it is now.

So.. I've been looking for a dps job to enjoy and since RDM was a lot of fun to me in Shb I thought about picking up another caster, SMN.

Leveling the old summoner was sometimes weird, sometimes fun but definitely not boring and what we got now in Endwalker is... confusing... it somehow manages to be more simple than rdm and it has no interesting twists at all.. and it's making me sad.

I feel like I press only two buttons that change depending on the primal summons and I wonder if there is more to the job than this? The OGCD's are fun but there are phases where I just spam one button for either AOE or single target.. there is no need to look at a ressource except for the summoning timer and I just don't feel challenged by anything when it comes to this job.

Am I missing something? I have been thinking about boosting a different job because smn really ruined my day and I want to partake in this expansion now and not after leveling another job to 80 for days. Can someone who enjoys this job tell me where the appeal is now?

Thanks!

[Dyvid]

In short, yes. SE never makes any major mechanic changes during a expansion cycle.

[Teno]

Most likely the same until 7.0 or later considering other jobs like scholar and dark knight have been gutted in 5.0 and they're still in the same state one expansion later. Or maybe it'll get one more buttton to press if it follows the evolution of machinist's rework.

[Laphicet]

This goes for everyone making a dozen diffrent threads on every little issue. STOP MAKING DIFFRENT THREADS.

PUT IT IN ONE OF THE TWO MAIN SUMMONER THREADS, JUST PICK ONE. SPREADING CRITICISM OR COMPLAINTS AROUND JUST MAKES IT LESS LIKELY TO BE SEEN. AND JUST BECAUSE A THREAD ISNT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF NEW POSTS DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST.

This isn't reddit, so don't use it like it's reddit.

But to answer your question, all you need to do is look to DRK, MCH, and Healers for your answer. W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶s̶h̶i̶-̶P̶,̶ ̶"̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶k̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶H̶W̶,̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶.̶"̶

[Bonkleberry]

The new SMN actually changes a lot at level 86. You get a new trait that gives you special spells for when you are in your elemental phases. Before level 86, I agree that the new SMN seems simple. However, after 86, the job feels just as rounded as other jods.

[zcrash970]

The new SMN actually changes a lot at level 86. You get a new trait that gives you special spells for when you are in your elemental phases. Before level 86, I agree that the new SMN seems simple. However, after 86, the job feels just as rounded as other jods.

Lol no. It doesn't.

You just finally get use another button more frequently after not getting nothing new for awhile so it feels like it's adding a lot

[HappyHubris]

W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶s̶h̶i̶-̶P̶,̶ ̶"̶I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶k̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶H̶W̶,̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶.̶"̶

Now now. It's more like "We hear your concerns but believe cannot make those changes without negatively impacting the community. So the same message, but nicer.

[Roda]

Welcome to smn.
Wait until the .1 patch to make a final decision on playing the job.

As is tradition :T

[silentwindfr]

i think the summoner need one change, super important, turn down a bit the effect, i did tank a dungeon with 2 summoner and a white mage as paladin.... oh god... my eyes was hurting at the end of the dungeon, i don't want to turn down the effects of the teammate because of the summoner... outside this...

ps: ifrit and titan summoning are simply too bright and often hide aoe of boss... it's insane.

[zcrash970]

Pretty much. They really need to buff ifrit. Why is it the only summon that puts you at risk but it's the weakest