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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    You forgot the middle ground. Remember, during the fight he disappears to let us fight his adds for a minute or two. He likely set everything up during that time frame, realizing we might just have what it takes. If he did do it that fast, then he's a master of Xanatos Speed Chess.
    Since he re-created most of Amaurot, he also could have created a "last will and testament" with whatever they have acting as a law office :-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz33 View Post
    Since he re-created most of Amaurot, he also could have created a "last will and testament" with whatever they have acting as a law office :-P
    Ah yes, Emet-Selch, the man well-known for being litigious and not at all overly theatrical in all things that he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracewood View Post
    I wonder if it has anything to do with the crystal themed dungeon we saw in the latest trailer? Like maybe this area is in another plane of existence?
    I don't know if the crystal dungeon and mystery island area are related but I am absolutely confident that the crystal dungeon is inside the planet. The crystals look like Hydaelyn and the background looks the same as the background of the place we go when we talk to her.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong but even before Endwalker was announced didn't Yoshi-P say that a keyword of the next expansion would be "underground"?

    To quote Emet-Selch in the trailer: "There, in the depths where souls and stars rest, find your truth." My guess is we'll physically go into the aetherial sea (perhaps via the antitower, perhaps some other method like the Ridorana Cataract suggestion earlier in the thread) for some reason or another. Maybe to speak to Hydaelyn, maybe to confront an awakened Zodiark, but for one reason or another we'll be going to the big crystal at the core of the planet. The area also resembles the Crystal World in FF9, which was exactly that: at the core of the planet.

    I'm convinced of this. The only question I have is if the planet's interior will only be this dungeon or if it will also be the final explorable zone too.
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    The desolate landscape around 2:53 in the trailer reminds me of the scenes from the Dragonstar in Alpascape V2.0.
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    Considering that the Sharlayans already built the Antitower which stretched all way down to the border of the aetherial sea, I'm expecting they have a similar structure in Labyrinthos meant for continuing their research into the "very fate of the star" (As the lorebook put it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Joke's on you, I'm keeping it on Trpimir so people don't think I'm a woman. (I'll play as her first tho.)
    Cilia be like...

    Late, I know. Just spent most of today asleep for work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I'm not smoking what Wiz there is and I don't think Emet is alive ("alive"), but come on now.
    Contextually speaking, the problem is that the crystals don't show up until after Emet-Selch has been defeated (or at least we don't find them until then), thus the argument is that he survived and put them there. That can't really happen if he's dead. How then did they get there? Well... see below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz33 View Post
    Wow, you actually said that with a straight face? I give Ishikawa more credit than that.
    Ex... cuse me? I've been thoroughly impressed and appreciative of Ishikawa's work since she did the DRK quests back in Heavensward. Point of fact is Shadowbringers wasn't in the Ascian gameplan at all and Emet-Selch's task was to get things back on track, with a secondary (personal) goal of convincing the Scions to join the Ascian cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    You forgot the middle ground. Remember, during the fight he disappears to let us fight his adds for a minute or two. He likely set everything up during that time frame, realizing we might just have what it takes. If he did do it that fast, then he's a master of Xanatos Speed Chess.
    Nice idea, but I just redid the fight a couple days ago and he actually stays on the field for that phase (though he can't be targeted or attacked). He does disappear when powering up for the second phase of the fight, but it's only for a few seconds.

    Personally I think the most probable culprit is the Hythlodaeus shade put them out, considering it gives you the forbidden Azem soul crystal later on. Which, admittedly, acknowledges it may or may not be acting in accordance with Emet-Selch's will. Point is Emet-Selch couldn't do it himself because he was dead, and only chose to put his faith in you after being mortally wounded.

    That's not to say we won't see him in Endwalker. I mean, if we're going into the Aetherial Sea / Lifestream...
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    I was watching the trailer a few times over and absorbing knowledge from friends to see what I could see. I won't discuss the voiceovers, so will focus on the scenes instead.

    Trailer breakdown


    The breakup of these "Scenes" is purely arbitrary on my part and is only to make the breakdown easier to read.

    First Scene:
    - A view of the ship port at Limsa Lominsa as people are going about their lives. We can see Momozigo, the Lalafell from the Samurai job quests, approaching Captain Milala, the Yellow jacket Lalafell from the Rogue class story. The Scions are standing in the port, talking to each other, most likely waiting for the ship taking them to Old Sharlayan. Thancred takes a cheeky glance at the moon.
    - A ship’s bell tolls as it leaves Limsa, Tataru says her farewells (note she does not have her Endwalker outfit here meaning we will see her later definitely).

    Second Scene:
    - Another scene of the Final Days of Amaurot is shown briefly as Emet-Selch monologues. You can see the Ancients with their hoods off, their actual faces being “human” styled.
    - A transition quickly into another scene, this time of what appears to be Thavnair as it is assaulted by a flood of Terminus Seers, corresponding to the CGI trailer, as another occurrence of the Final Days.
    - Another transition to show destroyed buildings and dead Ancients in Amaurot.
    - Once more another transition to Thavnair in the Final Days, we see a giant statue with 2 faces. (This scene most likely relates to the dungeon artwork we saw at the original Endwalker announcement.)
    - A cut to the Warrior of Light, Meteor Survivor on the bow of a ship as it sails under a starry sky, before the camera pans away and drops below the surface of the ocean.

    Third Scene
    - A scene of a dungeon. The WoL is accompanied by Estinien, Alphinaud and Alisae as Trusts. Due to the similar architecture to that one solo duty in 5.1, this is most likely the remodeled Imperial Palace (or Gate to the Gods if you prefer)
    - A quick cut to a combat scene in what appears to be the same dungeon, except instead of Estinien, G’raha Tia is fighting alongside the WoL and Alphinaud.
    - Another cut to an overview of the ruins of Garlemald. Alphinaud clenches his fist while next to a downcast Alisaie (note they are wearing winter outfits instead of their endwalker clothes). A switch to a blue-haired Garlean brandishing a Garlean gunblade and rushing at Lucia and Maxima. Behind them you can just make out Cirina and Sadu, as well as a Maelstrom and a Flames soldier. (Guess the unified Easter and Eorzean Alliances make headway into Garlemald)
    - Cut to Alphinaud and Alisaie sitting in a cold metal building. Alisaie huddles up closer to her brother (d’awww).

    Fourth Scene
    - The Warrior approaches the Lady of Light on the deck of a ship (maybe the same one we take to Sharlayan? Or perhaps another) as she looks out over the ocean. A quick cut to the WoL ?holding a white flower in a different location (maybe the floating islands or labyrinthos?).

    Fifth Scene
    - Another combat scene, this appears to be the Tower of Zot, as it is seen in the Media Tour. There is quick glimpse of the battle against the Magus Sisters.
    - Another cut. We see large crystalline structures serving as bridges in what appears to be the Aetherial Sea, as evidenced by the background. You can barely make out a party of four running across the central crystal bridge (the WoL, Alphinaud, maybe Alisae and Estinien) which seems to imply this area is also a dungeon.
    - A cut to the lady of light turning to facing someone, this seems to be a continuation of the previous WoL and lady scene, and is here turning to face the player.
    - A cut to what appears to be Old Sharlayan. The various members of the Fourm, all in their official attire as seen from the CGI trailer, are assembled before a crowd, as Forchenault Leveilleur steps forward, maybe to address said crowd. His mood seems grim, but I can’t get a read on that guy.
    - A cut to the WoL fighting against Anima. We see no other players or characters, but most likely this is a trial. A brief glimpse of Anima using Oblivion, and the lower body revealing it’s true terror. A brief look at the environment gives the impression that the architecture is extremely similar to the Towers, and may take place inside one of them, or the Gate of the Gods.
    - The Warrior of Light tightly grasps the crystal of Azem in an area with a fantastical view. Is this space?

    Sixth Scene
    - Cut to a reaper using it’s LB3 “The End” on a Pudding type enemy in what appears to be some sort of hellscape.
    - Alisaie looks to the sky, ablaze with falling stars before a reddened moon. And clenches her fist.
    - Cut to Thavnair, with multiple Terminus Seers and other monstrosities appearing. They go straight for the common folk, who run around in terror. You can see a slain victim be surrounded by some sort of aura.
    - Cut to a combat scene taking place in a burning forest. Y’shtola, Alphianud and Estinien can be seen fighting a Seer and other enemies.

    Seventh Scene
    - Cut to a scene in what appears to Garlemald, which suffers from a case of the Final Days. A wounded citizen crawls feebly to get away from the approaching beasts.
    - A sudden ?memory of monstrous faces similar to the First Beast looking down at the PoV character.
    - A scene of an armoured platinum blonde man staring a tattered Garlean banner. (Is this the missing Nerva yae Galvus? I assume him to be of an age group close to Varis since they are cousins)
    - The appearance of more beasts. I have no idea where this is, but Thavnair seems as good a guess as any. Another combat scene, this time with a Warrior using Primal Cleave.
    - Cut to the WoL running through Garlean ruins as they explode and fall around them. What appears to be a warmachina has its weapons point towards them.
    - A scene of a flying terminus beast, before we see a quick glimpse of the previously seen blue-haired Garlean, who appears to be in shock over everything, before we cut back to a combat scene with the previously mentioned beast, in what appears to be that Thavnair dungeon. Another scene of Terminus beasts terrorizing unsuspecting common folk. Quick cut to the Warrior and G’raha fighting a terminus beast in Garlemald, whether this be a solo instance, dungeon, or part of that new “scions accompany you during certain quests” feature they implemented I’m not sure.

    Eighth Scene
    - Quick cut to another scene in Amaurot as a terminus beast grabs a helpless Ancient, viewed by the Lady of Light, dishevelled, with a look of resignation on her face.
    - Quick cut to the Scions on a purple platform walking forward to what appears to be the previously seen crystal structures in the Lifestream.
    - A scene with Zenos, standing over a unresponsive WoL who is sitting on what appears to be Zenos’s throne, which shifts into another scene of the Warrior and some trusts in another dungeon, which appears to be the hellscape first seen when the reaper was using LB3.
    - Estinien prepares to battle on the back of Vrtra, who roars and enters the fray during the Final Days of Thavnair which cuts to the party facing off against a lich-like enemy in a dungeon.
    - Zenos, resonant eyes active, spreads his arms out in some emotion, before the scene fades to the WoL, walking slowly on the surface of the Moon towards the camera.

    Ninth Scene
    - Flashbacks of scenes throughout our journey from ARR to SHB play.

    Tenth Scene
    - The Warrior of the Light, on the moon, is surrounded by Ancients with dark Auras, and looks cautiously at them before facing forward again. A giant red titan lies dormant, bound in chains of light. This is most likely Zodiark. Fandaniel Raises his hand up in supplication.
    - Another scene, The Warrior is surrounded by the masks of Ancients, the same types that appear in the battle against Hades, before shifting to a scene of them in the dark, calling forth the power of Azem to summon allies, which transitions to them once again walking forward on the moon surface as they look up at the Star.
    - Alphinaud, in Old Sharlayan, begins to talk, as the other scions flash up on screen one-by-one versus XIII trailer style. If this isn't a death flag for at least one person, I don't know what is
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    Last edited by MrThinker; 11-07-2021 at 04:26 PM.

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    Tiny Trailer details after watching it repeatedly.


    When seeing the more fleshed out ancients fleeing for their lives, two curiously stand still facing one another, seemingly talking as the city burns and their peers scramble forth. Suggests this is at a transition in a vision or recording.

    The fallen spiral chandelier has been seen in the phantom Amaurot as well as the Amanesis Anyder.

    53 of the 99 Forum members are present in the scene where Fourchenault is addressing the Sharlayan citizenry.

    As the WoL runs through the Garlean place with the Garlean Plated Manipulator type enemy, there is a man in a hunched position with an updated Magitek suit and rifle to the right of the treasure chest.

    Every time the text is laid against the aetherial sea style background, a sound akin to submergence in water plays behind the music.


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    Someone pointed this out to me and now it won't leave my mind. Where the heck are the Lopporits?
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