FFXIV 6.0 comes out December 7th. Pre-release is December 3rd

[Roda]

Guess i should rephrase my statement. Stop TAKING PTO, expecting something else to happen during it. Especially when you have no control over it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

"Sorry guys we can't do another Ultimate this expansion because then we'd have to delay Endwalker"

"Ooops we gotta delay Endwalker anyway"

Well thanks for nothing I guess.

I think the scales here are a bit different, but we're well past people caring apparently. May as well have delayed until next June the way some people act around here.

[Cylla]

I might be "Delusional" but atleast i didn't waste my PTO. *shrugs*

Some of us have to put in PTO well ahead of time and can't just wing it on short notice. Maybe you can, but I sure the hell can't with the pos company I work for.
In other words, don't be rude just because people are upset that their PTO time now wasted.
Yeah it sucks, I'm not mad, but some weeks notice would've been nice and not just getting it handed down now so close to release. Maybe, if I had known sooner I'd been able to adjust my PTO, but now even if I remove it, I won't be able to take off that week in Dec due to short notice.

[HyoMinPark]

Before the delay, it came out during Black Friday week. I wouldn't have been able to take off time regardless. Is it upsetting. Absolutely. But it is. What it is. The game will still be there when i get home.

That doesn’t really mean people can’t still be upset or disappointed. You’re missing the point.

2nd. You can still be on the same level, and point in story level, if you play with your friends. If you've already coordinated to play on launch day, you can coordinate too after.

Actually, my friends and I don’t all have the same work schedules. I work 7am to 6pm during the week. My friend from the UK is, well, from the UK. So she is in a completely different country from the rest of our group of friends (NA based). One of my friends works evening shifts, so I’m getting off work while he’s still in the midst of his shift. I don’t work weekends, but some of my friends do, or work alternate weekends, so there’s another thing to consider. We had all taken Early Access off for ease of no-life-ing the expansion just as we have done for the others. It’s very presumptuous of you to think that we’ll have just as easy a time making this time after the fact when we aren’t taking time off for it. This was a collaborative thing we all did to enjoy EW together.

With all due respect though. Look at it from their shoes. Put yourself in the shoes of a game developer/producer just once, if you knew anything of game dev you would see how incredibly difficult it is, especially with layoffs, and so much more.

Layoffs were not a factor in this delay. There were no layoffs in the development team. So that is an irrelevant argument to even present here. As for putting myself in their shoes—well I work in accounting, so I’m not a game developer—however, if I know that there have been a myriad of issues regarding server stability for the last several weeks/months, I would have likely looked at scheduling QA testing a lot sooner than two or three weeks prior to the launch of a major expansion. Maybe this was out of their control and they couldn’t have done it more in advance—but I find that a little difficult to believe.

Im not telling people how to feel, but they should atleast be realistic. I can't think of any MMO or patch in recent time that has come out on time.

You are, though. You’re telling us that “it’s a you problem” for taking time off to enjoy a game launch. That’s the same as telling us how to feel. You’re basically saying we can’t be upset because we made the active decision to take time off for the launch that they gave no inkling of indication might possibly be delayed due to extenuating circumstances that you keep bringing up (e.g., COVID-19, layoffs, hardware shortages, whatever—none of those were the issue here, but devil’s advocate).

People in this game are toxic. But seriously please explain to how no one could have atleast expected a delay to come to the game.

They’ve never delayed a major expansion before. When they announce a release date for an expansion, it comes out on that day. They’ve never delayed it or changed the date. In terms of patches, they only delayed one patch—3.1. COVID-19 was a bit different, but they never announced a patch release date only to come back two weeks later and say “we have to push back release two weeks because of x, y, z”. They always stuck to their date. You can argue extenuating circumstances, sure—but there was no indication that the launch wouldn’t be smooth and/or subject to change. They spoke as if Nov 19th/23rd was set in stone.

My main complaint is less about the delay (though I’m still disappointed that I have to wait a bit longer for SGE and EW), and more about how they waited until two weeks prior to announce. I wish it had been sooner because it is generally easier to move around time off requests when you have more time to work with. And I think there’s other in my boat as well: a lot of jobs don’t allow you to change requests off two weeks prior.

And no. People are not aware that the developer teams are human. This thread proves it. If they did. This thread wouldnt exist. People would've already done as is. As someone who works in software, trust me. The extra time they need to get this out, is very much needed.

This thread is people being upset. Which they have a right to be. And others coming to white knight and tell those that are upset (and being cordial/calm about it) that they have no right to be because reasons. Or because “Well I’m not upset so idk why you all are, entitled gamers/first world problems blah blah blah”. It isn’t about them thinking the development team aren’t human beings.

A 40 hour work week? To them would be a blessing for them. 100%

You think that they’ll suddenly get that now?


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Im not telling people how to feel, but they should atleast be realistic. I can't think of any MMO or patch in recent time that has come out on time.

Take time off whenever you want. Not what im saying. Just dont be upset when something doesnt go as planned.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Yes now imagine that but five times worse and this is your job.
You see how it becomes a little silly to be THAT upset about it in your situation?

Being disappointed is fine but cmon.

In my case its been 10 hours minimum per day working + having to do some of it at home as well since this pandemic started. It's resulted in a very noticeable increase in my income but also a sharp increase in my fatigue and stress levels.

[LisSquid]

The delay itself is whatever but I'm really disappointed they didn't have the courtesy to announce the delay sooner, they obviously knew about it. Yoshida himself made it a point to apologize to people who took off. If you gave me adequate notice I wouldn't be so pissed.

That's exactly where I'm at. I don't care about the delay at all, but did they really think that waiting until the Live Letter was the way to go about it? It just put a cloud on the rest of it, because I felt a sudden panic as I have to explain to my FC/static that I will need special handling to be on the same page as them.

It's not game breaking, enjoyment destroying, or going to make me resentful of SE. It's just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that they sat on this information for so long and used it as the opening message before a highly anticipated Live Letter.

[Dogempire]

It is enlightening reading through this thread with people who are calling people, who are disappointed in having their time off being out of shift with EWs release, entitled and "having first world problems". A lot of people, like myself, can only devote a handful of hours to this game a week with how much we work. For a lot of us, this wasn't PTO but time earned from overtime (that I'm probably not getting back-pay for, but that's a personal fight).

Being understanding about the scheduling push-back and being upset that you won't get those hours back are feelings that can and should coexist.

Tbf I think the biggest issue is the fact that the delay happened at a point where we were close enough to the release to believe that there wouldn't be one

I don't blame the devs for having to push back the expansion considering all the craziness in 2020, but man does it suck being told of the delay so close to the original release date

I'm kind of glad the general consensus isn't just anger and that the people who are genuinely angry are in the minority (Not that I blame them for being angry anyways)

[Gemina]

They must have seen my threads on revised Mudra system and AST cards. My bad y'all!

Totally kidding. Sort of ;p

[PTgamerguy]

Wonder if I can get access to Stormblood and Shadowbringers earlier? I'm returning from a 5 year hiatus and pre-ordered Endwalkers as I noticed it gives access to the previous expansions. I realized later that I wouldn't get access until Endwalkers went live, which is no big deal, but now that the release date is pushed back it leaves me wondering if they can open up those expansions to those of us that pre-ordered Endwalkers. Probably a long shot, but one could hope.

[Anonicat]

Some of us have to put in PTO well ahead of time and can't just wing it on short notice. Maybe you can, but I sure the hell can't with the pos company I work for.
In other words, don't be rude just because people are upset that their PTO time now wasted.
Yeah it sucks, I'm not mad, but some weeks notice would've been nice and not just getting it handed down now so close to release. Maybe, if I had known sooner I'd been able to adjust my PTO, but now even if I remove it, I won't be able to take off that week in Dec due to short notice.

Neither can I. And if Endwalker released on the 19th. I still couldn't take off the time. It's black friday week, and that means everyone has to work. No exceptions, unless medical.

I still won't be able to take time off for Endwalker even with the Delay.

And I'd say im not really rude. But how many times must people learn taking time off for a video game, when there is a chance a game might get delayed.. gonna have to happen until people learn?

Feel however you want. But when taking PTO for a video game off, put in more thought than just. Developers said it releases now.. so i take PTO off then. Look at the trends off them delaying stuff, what the world is going through, and what their developers are going through probably mentally to just get this expansion out to people unbroken.