FFXIV 6.0 comes out December 7th. Pre-release is December 3rd

[IDontPetLalas]

Honestly, I'll never understand people who do this, i.e. arrange for vacation days, then get upset when there's a a delay and then get upset at the SW producer because they can't reschedule. I do sympathize to an extant, however while I understand that SE has a very good reputation for sticking to schedules - schedules are never a guarantee .Anything can go wrong. there are plenty of examples in SW where someone insisted on a release date and in the end the customer suffered more, rather than someone putting their foot down and saying that an issue was discovered and the delivery should be delayed.

[HyoMinPark]

Honestly, I'll never understand people who do this, i.e. arrange for vacation days, then get upset when there's a a delay and then get upset at the SW producer because they can't reschedule. I do sympathize to an extant, however while I understand that SE has a very good reputation for sticking to schedules - schedules are never a guarantee .Anything can go wrong. there are plenty of examples in SW where someone insisted on a release date and in the end the customer suffered more, rather than someone putting their foot down and saying that an issue was discovered and the delivery should be delayed.

Pretty sure most of the grievances come from the announcement coming so close to the wire, thereby making it far harder to rearrange than if the announcement had been made sooner. Speaking for myself here, I would be less bothered by this entire thing had this announcement been made a bit sooner. Letting your boss know that you need to reschedule time off is far easier when you give them a more advanced notice. A month, for example, is usually better than two weeks… Two weeks is cutting it extremely close. I have to hope that my boss will just let me push the time off back; and apologize profusely for the short notice. And that may still not work, which is saddening. I’m passionate about this game, and I wanted to enjoy Early Access like I’ve done for the last expansions (save ARR relaunch and HW, since I started in HW). Call it a fun little “tradition” I’ve enjoyed with my friends. We played together for SB early access and ShB early access, and all of us were able to get the time off for EW early access. And with a lot of ease, too. This throws a wrench into that, so we’re, of course, upset by it.

[Roda]

Pretty sure most of the grievances come from the announcement coming so close to the wire, thereby making it far harder to rearrange than if the announcement had been made sooner. Speaking for myself here, I would be less bothered by this entire thing had this announcement been made a bit sooner. Letting your boss know that you need to reschedule time off is far easier when you give them a more advanced notice. A month, for example, is usually better than two weeks… Two weeks is cutting it extremely close. I have to hope that my boss will just let me push the time off back; and apologize profusely for the short notice. And that may still not work, which is saddening. I’m passionate about this game, and I wanted to enjoy Early Access like I’ve done for the last expansions (save ARR relaunch and HW, since I started in HW). Call it a fun little “tradition” I’ve enjoyed with my friends. We played together for SB early access and ShB early access, and all of us were able to get the time off for EW early access. And with a lot of ease, too. This throws a wrench into that, so we’re, of course, upset by it.

The thought that all my friends and I are probably gonna be out of sync with each other is heartbreaking

I love that launchday rush, waking up before the sun rises, exploring with everyone and discovering new things together. I'm worried that we're not going to be able to talk to each other much because we will all be at different spoiler levels.

[HyoMinPark]

The thought that all my friends and I are probably gonna be out of sync with each other is heartbreaking

I love that launchday rush, waking up before the sun rises, exploring with everyone and discovering new things together. I'm worried that we're not going to be able to talk to each other much because we will all be at different spoiler levels.

I 100% know how you feel. My friends and I are all in voice right now just praying to the Twelve that we’ll be able to get our time off all rearranged so that we can have our fun together. But it’s so uncertain and most of us can’t even do anything about it until Monday since we don’t work weekends. My department isn’t even in the office on weekends (and my boss had to go to TX for a family thing so she’s unreachable right now).

We’ve done the last two expansions together and always had so much excitement when it came to discovering everything and doing the MSQ (never forget our simultaneous reactions to *that cutscene from Alisaie’s MSQ branch in Amh Araeng*). Now we’re just worried we won’t get to do that again, and it’s just really disheartening. Fingers crossed we’ll all get lucky… Same for you and your friends! I really hope everything is able to be worked out for you guys.

[HyoMinPark]

Stop taking PTO for Video Games. It really sickens me to hear or see Yoshi-P and the dev crew cry. People in this game, are imo toxic for them as developers.. Idolize developers as some sort of God. Stop it. They are human beings. Software Development especially for MMO's is more than likely 10x harder than any job that anyone here in this thread is working.

They are human beings. Stop being upset that they didn't release on the 19th/23rd. It sucks that it might screw up your plans. BUTS THATS ON YOU. Not them. Take a step back and put yourself in their shoes for once. Guaranteed you would see things very differently.

People should know by now. Especially during/after Covid. With layoffs, Delays should be expected.

I’m sorry, but you have no right to tell me how to spend my vacation time that I earn through my hard work. Nor do you have any right to tell me that I can’t be upset or disappointed by the delay, or worried about if I’ll be able to shift my time off around to enjoy something I’ve been looking forward to for a while now.

Everyone is aware that the development team are human beings. But you know what? So are the players. Let them be upset if they want to be. You can’t tell them to not be.

With all due respect, please back off, and go take a seat. Let people be upset. Let them be mad. Stop telling them how they are supposed to feel when the plans they had made and were looking forward to fell through/are in jeopardy.

[Anonicat]

I 100% know how you feel. My friends and I are all in voice right now just praying to the Twelve that we’ll be able to get our time off all rearranged so that we can have our fun together. But it’s so uncertain and most of us can’t even do anything about it until Monday since we don’t work weekends. My department isn’t even in the office on weekends (and my boss had to go to TX for a family thing so she’s unreachable right now).

We’ve done the last two expansions together and always had so much excitement when it came to discovering everything and doing the MSQ (never forget our simultaneous reactions to *that cutscene from Alisaie’s MSQ branch in Amh Araeng*). Now we’re just worried we won’t get to do that again, and it’s just really disheartening. Fingers crossed we’ll all get lucky… Same for you and your friends! I really hope everything is able to be worked out for you guys.



I’m sorry, but you have no right to tell me how to spend my vacation time that I earn through my hard work. With all due respect, please back off, and go take a seat. Let people be upset. Stop telling them how they are supposed to feel when the plans they had made and were looking forward to fell through/are in jeopardy.

Everyone is aware that the development team are human beings. But you know what? So are the players. Let them be upset if they want to be.

Before the delay, it came out during Black Friday week. I wouldn't have been able to take off time regardless. Is it upsetting. Absolutely. But it is. What it is. The game will still be there when i get home.

2nd. You can still be on the same level, and point in story level, if you play with your friends. If you've already coordinated to play on launch day, you can coordinate too after.

With all due respect though. Look at it from their shoes. Put yourself in the shoes of a game developer/producer just once, if you knew anything of game dev you would see how incredibly difficult it is, especially with layoffs, and so much more.

Im not telling people how to feel, but they should atleast be realistic. I can't think of any MMO or patch in recent time that has come out on time.

People in this game are toxic. But seriously please explain to how no one could have atleast expected a delay to come to the game.

And no. People are not aware that the developer teams are human. This thread proves it. If they did. This thread wouldnt exist. People would've already done as is. As someone who works in software, trust me. The extra time they need to get this out, is very much needed.

A 40 hour work week? To them would be a blessing for them. 100%

[HyoMinPark]

Before the delay, it came out during Black Friday week. I wouldn't have been able to take off time regardless. Is it upsetting. Absolutely. But it is. What it is. The game will still be there when i get home.

That doesn’t really mean people can’t still be upset or disappointed. You’re missing the point.

2nd. You can still be on the same level, and point in story level, if you play with your friends. If you've already coordinated to play on launch day, you can coordinate too after.

Actually, my friends and I don’t all have the same work schedules. I work 7am to 6pm during the week. My friend from the UK is, well, from the UK. So she is in a completely different country from the rest of our group of friends (NA based). One of my friends works evening shifts, so I’m getting off work while he’s still in the midst of his shift. I don’t work weekends, but some of my friends do, or work alternate weekends, so there’s another thing to consider. We had all taken Early Access off for ease of no-life-ing the expansion just as we have done for the others. It’s very presumptuous of you to think that we’ll have just as easy a time making this time after the fact when we aren’t taking time off for it. This was a collaborative thing we all did to enjoy EW together.

With all due respect though. Look at it from their shoes. Put yourself in the shoes of a game developer/producer just once, if you knew anything of game dev you would see how incredibly difficult it is, especially with layoffs, and so much more.

Layoffs were not a factor in this delay. There were no layoffs in the development team. So that is an irrelevant argument to even present here. As for putting myself in their shoes—well I work in accounting, so I’m not a game developer—however, if I know that there have been a myriad of issues regarding server stability for the last several weeks/months, I would have likely looked at scheduling QA testing a lot sooner than two or three weeks prior to the launch of a major expansion. Maybe this was out of their control and they couldn’t have done it more in advance—but I find that a little difficult to believe.

Im not telling people how to feel, but they should atleast be realistic. I can't think of any MMO or patch in recent time that has come out on time.

You are, though. You’re telling us that “it’s a you problem” for taking time off to enjoy a game launch. That’s the same as telling us how to feel. You’re basically saying we can’t be upset because we made the active decision to take time off for the launch that they gave no inkling of indication might possibly be delayed due to extenuating circumstances that you keep bringing up (e.g., COVID-19, layoffs, hardware shortages, whatever—none of those were the issue here, but devil’s advocate).

People in this game are toxic. But seriously please explain to how no one could have atleast expected a delay to come to the game.

They’ve never delayed a major expansion before. When they announce a release date for an expansion, it comes out on that day. They’ve never delayed it or changed the date. In terms of patches, they only delayed one patch—3.1. COVID-19 was a bit different, but they never announced a patch release date only to come back two weeks later and say “we have to push back release two weeks because of x, y, z”. They always stuck to their date. You can argue extenuating circumstances, sure—but there was no indication that the launch wouldn’t be smooth and/or subject to change. They spoke as if Nov 19th/23rd was set in stone.

My main complaint is less about the delay (though I’m still disappointed that I have to wait a bit longer for SGE and EW), and more about how they waited until two weeks prior to announce. I wish it had been sooner because it is generally easier to move around time off requests when you have more time to work with. And I think there’s other in my boat as well: a lot of jobs don’t allow you to change requests off two weeks prior.

And no. People are not aware that the developer teams are human. This thread proves it. If they did. This thread wouldnt exist. People would've already done as is. As someone who works in software, trust me. The extra time they need to get this out, is very much needed.

This thread is people being upset. Which they have a right to be. And others coming to white knight and tell those that are upset (and being cordial/calm about it) that they have no right to be because reasons. Or because “Well I’m not upset so idk why you all are, entitled gamers/first world problems blah blah blah”. It isn’t about them thinking the development team aren’t human beings.

A 40 hour work week? To them would be a blessing for them. 100%

You think that they’ll suddenly get that now?


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Im not telling people how to feel, but they should atleast be realistic. I can't think of any MMO or patch in recent time that has come out on time.

Take time off whenever you want. Not what im saying. Just dont be upset when something doesnt go as planned.

[Rainydayz]

Wow, with that logic in your first sentence, be sure to remember that the next time you have a planned family vacation scheduled to go somewhere and your flight gets delayed or cancelled, or you miss excursions or other important events you paid for get delayed or cancelled. Just remember that you arranged and scheduled the vacation days for it, however “schedules are never a guarantee”, and you only have so many days for your vacation, so you can’t reschedule. Just remember to not get upset and blame the airline company, or the hotel, or the cab driver or the tour company over it. After all, you are the one who took arranged for your vacation, not them. Be bigger than the rest of us.