My Horrible experience with most (not all) WoW players in FFXIV so far

[Ronduwil]

Nah. We used words like "aggro" in older games, like DAoC. I don't think there was a word for it in UO, although the concept did exist.
What originated in WOW was "transmog" and "mob(ile unit)".
No idea where "toon" comes from -- I don't like the term. My characters are characters, not toons.

Transmog originated in WoW. Mob most definitely did not. I heard the term used all the time on MUDs and MUSHes in the 1990s, ten years before WoW was even released. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that "toon" is a reference to the Toon tabletop RPG from 1984: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toon_(role-playing_game)
When you created new a character in that game, you were creating a new toon.

[Kolsykol]

You're correct that Blizzard needs to do something but complaining about it in the FFXIV forums does nothing. Players need to take the discussion to the WoW forums.

They also need to stop automatically assuming any FFXIV player behaving in an obnoxious manner must have come from WoW.

I am not doing that and this thread is about WoW players in FFXIV.
I was just adressing how people always try and dismiss the notion that some communities might be worse by saying '' it's just a gaming issue ''.
I mean it's not a gaming issue it's just a people and especially internet issue.
Anonymity and all that.

But saying that one is worse than the other doesn't mean that it's exclusively bad with the former.
I have experience with both games and that's what I am going off of others may have other experiences.

It's the same with genres too in my experience historical games, FPS and MOBA's are significantly more toxic and filled with hateful and bigoted players than other genres.
That doesn't mean that I assume that everyone who plays those game is that or that I am saying it's only an issue in those genres.

[Selova]

I always find topics like this interesting since I've been playing WoW since its launch and FFXIV since late ARR and I can count on one hand the amount of negative experiences I've had in FFXIV.

If you're having this many bad experiences with other "WoW players" you might want to do some self reflecting and think of the reason why that might be.

[Anya_Synia]

I am not doing that and this thread is about WoW players in FFXIV.
I was just adressing how people always try and dismiss the notion that some communities might be worse by saying '' it's just a gaming issue ''.
I mean it's not a gaming issue it's just a people and especially internet issue.
Anonymity and all that.

But saying that one is worse than the other doesn't mean that it's exclusively bad with the former.
I have experience with both games and that's what I am going off of others may have other experiences.

It's the same with genres too in my experience historical games, FPS and MOBA's are significantly more toxic and filled with hateful and bigoted players than other genres.
That doesn't mean that I assume that everyone who plays those game is that or that I am saying it's only an issue in those genres.

Unless you have met all wow players and had conversations confirming they are wow players. Then you are generalizing. You cant make sweeping statements saying this group of people are worse than this when you yourself have only met what is a drop in the ocean.

[AtlasS]

The ones who always post these kinda rants are usually the insufferable players

[_Pigzig]

if you think the people are bad you should see the state of the game

[DiaDeem]

Short post from me.

A while ago in Kugane, I got two fantastic people spamming (and I mean big log) /em spit at me, and mind you.. at the time I didn't know what that even was, as I have never touched WoW in my life, and it wasn't until later that I found out where that came from. In retrospect it was a weird experience, and kinda funny because I sent one of them a DM explaining that I was done with their BS and that if they continued I'd file a report, and they left. Whether they were scared or just decided to move on with their lives, I have no idea. Then again, it was just two people that sure were obviously WoW players, but other than that, I've never really encountered that much toxicity in the game.

Sure, the quality of play in places like LOTA and ST has decreased ever since they made it mandatory for MSQ (we wiped at Allagan Bomb in LOTA not long ago lol) but nobody was really at anyone else's throat, and I think the reduced quality of play is just because more people are being funneled into the duties being that now everyone has to go through them, and not because "The WoW players invaded" or anything like that. I couldn't heal someone at Amon recently because I was silenced, and they got upset at me, though after I said "I was silenced" they didn't kept at it, and I have no idea if that person was a WoW player.

To conclude: I am aware from testimony coming from WoW players themselves that the state of the community there is comparable to what I experienced in League of Legends, which isn't the most pleasant. That said, I really haven't encountered much of that, other than the very specific and isolated case in Kugane. I'm very sorry that you encountered such players in your dungeon, but I believe we shouldn't be putting all recent WoW refugees (if you want to use a descriptor) under an equal banner of toxicity, and I say this as someone who unironically enjoys running Mentor Roulette, so I've had plenty of interesting encounters in that roulette.

[Illmaeran]

After watching Zepla's recent video where she talks about former WoW players having to "reprogram" themselves, so to speak, something clicked in my head. I believe most WoW players actually *want* to play in a non-toxic environment and be non-toxic themselves, but the culture over there has become so pervasively aggressive that they've been conditioned to strike first to preempt receiving aggression from other players. I've never encountered the levels of toxicity as I did on a brand-new server when Classic opened up. Those players were absolutely, no doubt, 100% "WoW refugees", either from the retail version or people who'd been playing on private servers. Having been on RP servers for a decade (the closest thing to the XIV community in that game), having the Classic RP server get flooded with people who would have otherwise played on a Normal or PvP server opened my eyes to just how toxic and aggressive the general WoW community really was at that time. It was a daily, sometimes hourly, kick in the face. While I don't condone aggressive/toxic behavior in any way, shape, or form, the realization that these people need time to let go of old habits and adjust to the new social contracts of the XIV community is going to help me have a little more empathy and patience for people.

I play on the Elemental (JP) DC and interactions are generally very good over there. There's one server that's traditionally been on the more aggressive side as it's got a high percent of non-Japanese players and I've encountered "toxic" behavior from people there in the past, no doubt. Aggressive behavior has absolutely increased with the increase in people leaving WoW, but correlation isn't causality. HOWEVER, and it's important to note, those people are still in the minority of people from that server that I've played with.

There will always be jerks in any game, and each game's community has different levels of interaction that they consider too aggressive or toxic, but I honestly believe the large majority of recent "refugees" to XIV truly want to get away from a toxic community and break their old toxic habits.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Short post from me.

A while ago in Kugane, I got two fantastic people spamming (and I mean big log) /em spit at me, and mind you.. at the time I didn't know what that even was, as I have never touched WoW in my life, and it wasn't until later that I found out where that came from. In retrospect it was a weird experience, and kinda funny because I sent one of them a DM explaining that I was done with their BS and that if they continued I'd file a report, and they left. Whether they were scared or just decided to move on with their lives, I have no idea. Then again, it was just two people that sure were obviously WoW players, but other than that, I've never really encountered that much toxicity in the game.

Sure, the quality of play in places like LOTA and ST has decreased ever since they made it mandatory for MSQ (we wiped at Allagan Bomb in LOTA not long ago lol) but nobody was really at anyone else's throat, and I think the reduced quality of play is just because more people are being funneled into the duties being that now everyone has to go through them, and not because "The WoW players invaded" or anything like that. I couldn't heal someone at Amon recently because I was silenced, and they got upset at me, though after I said "I was silenced" they didn't kept at it, and I have no idea if that person was a WoW player.

To conclude: I am aware from testimony coming from WoW players themselves that the state of the community there is comparable to what I experienced in League of Legends, which isn't the most pleasant. That said, I really haven't encountered much of that, other than the very specific and isolated case in Kugane. I'm very sorry that you encountered such players in your dungeon, but I believe we shouldn't be putting all recent WoW refugees (if you want to use a descriptor) under an equal banner of toxicity, and I say this as someone who unironically enjoys running Mentor Roulette, so I've had plenty of interesting encounters in that roulette.

So, you were just walking in Kugane and not one but two random people decided to start spitting on you at the same time for no apparent reason? With no context at all? Press X to doubt.

[Shin96]

People really love to hear themselves.