Large quantity of gil disappeared.

[Jojoya]

I am with the guy you responded to. If you don't want people to cheat, don't make the system you've put in place literally unhealthy for people who use it fairly.

It is no more unhealthy than playing the rest of the game because all you're doing is sitting on your butt pressing buttons on a keyboard/mouse/controller for all of it.

[Drkdays]

It is no more unhealthy than playing the rest of the game because all you're doing is sitting on your butt pressing buttons on a keyboard/mouse/controller for all of it.

Well idk if I'd go THAT far. it IS a pretty sucky camping system. But I would never advocate botting. It's taking the gaming out of gaming. Like, what's the point? Housing should be more available, and they're working on that by all accounts but, to put it simply, cheaters should never prosper.

[redheadturk]

It is no more unhealthy than playing the rest of the game because all you're doing is sitting on your butt pressing buttons on a keyboard/mouse/controller for all of it.

It is unhealthy when to have a reasonable chance of getting a house fairly you have to camp, many times for 16-24 hours, just to have a decent possibility of getting a house, constantly clicking.

[RitsukoSonoda]

It is no more unhealthy than playing the rest of the game because all you're doing is sitting on your butt pressing buttons on a keyboard/mouse/controller for all of it.

It's their choice to participate in unhealthy activity in order to play the game. Looking at that guy's recent posts in this thread they just seem to be one of those people that spend a majority of their time trying to find a way to blame someone or something else for their self imposed problems.

I bought my original house in Lavender Beds with no stress at all. I just checked wards via aethernet periodically and when I saw one vacated I purchased it. And it happened to be fairly close to a market board. When the announcement was made that Shirogane was opening I made arrangements to make sure I was able to log on as soon as that maintenance ended and relocated my home there with no other players competing with me to click on the placard.

The rest of this thread seems to have shifted to people condoning or admitting to using illegal 3rd party programs then complaining when said 3rd party programs give their gil to people that know said programs are being used and know how to trick them. To me that just sounds like a situation similar to a scammer getting scammed or those ppl using bots to attempt buying PS5's online that ended up buying empty boxes because ppl posted listings specifically to trick the bot programs. If you decide to try and cheat the system because you don't like the system for whatever reason, you have willingly accepted responsibility and ownership of whatever happens due to that activity.

[redheadturk]

It's their choice to participate in unhealthy activity in order to play the game. Looking at that guy's recent posts in this thread they just seem to be one of those people that spend a majority of their time trying to find a way to blame someone or something else for their self imposed problems.

I bought my original house in Lavender Beds with no stress at all. I just checked wards via aethernet periodically and when I saw one vacated I purchased it. And it happened to be fairly close to a market board. When the announcement was made that Shirogane was opening I made arrangements to make sure I was able to log on as soon as that maintenance ended and relocated my home there with no other players competing with me to click on the placard.

The rest of this thread seems to have shifted to people condoning or admitting to using illegal 3rd party programs then complaining when said 3rd party programs give their gil to people that know said programs are being used and know how to trick them. To me that just sounds like a situation similar to a scammer getting scammed or those ppl using bots to attempt buying PS5's online that ended up buying empty boxes because ppl posted listings specifically to trick the bot programs. If you decide to try and cheat the system because you don't like the system for whatever reason, you have willingly accepted responsibility and ownership of whatever happens due to that activity.

I do not condone the use of bots. There is a difference between understanding why people resort to such things and condoning their use. My point is that the system should be changed so there is no need to participate in unhealthy activity in order to obtain a house. They changed the Absolute Virtue fight in XI when they discovered people were staying awake for 48 hours at a time to beat it, there's no reason they can't fix this.

[Jojoya]

I do not condone the use of bots. There is a difference between understanding why people resort to such things and condoning their use. My point is that the system should be changed so there is no need to participate in unhealthy activity in order to obtain a house. They changed the Absolute Virtue fight in XI when they discovered people were staying awake for 48 hours at a time to beat it, there's no reason they can't fix this.

So where have you been the last 7 months since SE announced that many wards will be switched to a lottery system in Endwalker so players who don't like the placard/timer system can simply purchase a ticket for a chance to get a house? You won't need to spam-click a placard anymore if you don't want to (it will still be there for those who don't mind in separate wards). You're still going to have to complete against all the other players who want one but can't get one because there won't be enough to go around.

We as players need to stop letting SE off the hook when it comes to correcting the real problem - the supply. That will never be solved until SE can accept that wards might be a nice idea but they do not work in a MMO with an expanding player base and choose to start putting housing development resources into an enhanced instanced system instead.

It was fun a month ago to log back into RIFT for the first time in 4 years to find all my Dimensions still there mostly as I left them (evidently the way a few items work had changed, which altered the appearance of a few slightly). Thought I had only had 11 active Dimensions. Turns out I had 13. One of them even had more likes than I remember it having at the time I stopped playing so I know that other players had continued to visit it during my absence. I had a full town in one Dimension, a recreation of Stormwind Park District in another, a massive water slide and picnic area in a third, etc.

13 housing locations for a single player on a single account because they are instanced. They only consume server resources when a player enters so they are a lot more efficient in that respect. None of those Dimensions I have prevented other players from getting their own Dimensions. I haven't even mentioned that RIFT allows placement and rotation of items on every axis not to mention items can be resized.

It's a real shame that a rather mediocre game like RIFT (wasn't really a bad game, it just wasn't good) allows that for their players when SE won't. Not can't but won't. It is a design decision they made and it's failing to serve the player base adequately.

[redheadturk]

So where have you been the last 7 months since SE announced that many wards will be switched to a lottery system in Endwalker so players who don't like the placard/timer system can simply purchase a ticket for a chance to get a house? You won't need to spam-click a placard anymore if you don't want to (it will still be there for those who don't mind in separate wards). You're still going to have to complete against all the other players who want one but can't get one because there won't be enough to go around.

We as players need to stop letting SE off the hook when it comes to correcting the real problem - the supply. That will never be solved until SE can accept that wards might be a nice idea but they do not work in a MMO with an expanding player base and choose to start putting housing development resources into an enhanced instanced system instead.

It was fun a month ago to log back into RIFT for the first time in 4 years to find all my Dimensions still there mostly as I left them (evidently the way a few items work had changed, which altered the appearance of a few slightly). Thought I had only had 11 active Dimensions. Turns out I had 13. One of them even had more likes than I remember it having at the time I stopped playing so I know that other players had continued to visit it during my absence. I had a full town in one Dimension, a recreation of Stormwind Park District in another, a massive water slide and picnic area in a third, etc.

13 housing locations for a single player on a single account because they are instanced. They only consume server resources when a player enters so they are a lot more efficient in that respect. None of those Dimensions I have prevented other players from getting their own Dimensions. I haven't even mentioned that RIFT allows placement and rotation of items on every axis not to mention items can be resized.

It's a real shame that a rather mediocre game like RIFT (wasn't really a bad game, it just wasn't good) allows that for their players when SE won't. Not can't but won't. It is a design decision they made and it's failing to serve the player base adequately.

I have been saying for two years they should introduce such a system, but I know it from the Kitely virtual worlds [I used to be a Second Life/Kitely resident before I got into MMOs proper, so I know exactly what kind of system you're talking about.] Honestly, they could even keep the ward system and instead shard it, so that the neighborhood only becomes active when someone enters it. All of the locations/data for the objects could be stored in a database the way a forum is, connected to the player IDs of the people that own homes on a particular shard so that the right instance loads when that player enters.