Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Starshower]

Now that's an easy report. If you refuse to tank the active mobs just because someone did something you do not like, you are violating TOS. And if you do not start throwing a tantrum and instead do your job you will very quickly realize that everything works out easily in the vast majority of all dungeons. You can try to report someone for pulling an extra pack but if it doesnt lead to a wipe where you actively refuse to do your job, it may just backfire on you.
Tanks are not the leaders of the party, they are the meathshields. You dont get to dictate how 3 other people play, especially not by doing what clearly falls under lethargic behavior.

So, you're saying the tanks aren't the leader. You are, clearly! What if the healer is new and can't deal with a full pull? What if the tank is a beginner with questionable gear and is more comfortable with a single pull? This isn't the end of the world if the tank is single pulling, it's way more toxic if you're a dps for exapmple and is pulling ahead of the tank. You're imposing your gameplay style on them. What if because of this the healer suddenly can't keep up with the heals, or the tank doesn't know how to deal with that many mobs for whatever reason?

[aveyond-dreams]

What if because of this the healer suddenly can't keep up with the heals, or the tank doesn't know how to deal with that many mobs for whatever reason?

The tank would have to use *1* aoe skill to pick up the mobs and the healer would have to use something else besides cure.

[Kes13a]

many replies in this thread remind me why I am happy that the small percentage of people that use and comment in the forums, I am unlikely ever to run into....

treating others with even a small level of respect seems to be too much to handle.

[Reinha]

So, you're saying the tanks aren't the leader. You are, clearly! What if the healer is new and can't deal with a full pull? What if the tank is a beginner with questionable gear and is more comfortable with a single pull? This isn't the end of the world if the tank is single pulling, it's way more toxic if you're a dps for exapmple and is pulling ahead of the tank. You're imposing your gameplay style on them. What if because of this the healer suddenly can't keep up with the heals, or the tank doesn't know how to deal with that many mobs for whatever reason?

It's pretty simple. If you wipe and the person pulls again, you can report them for griefing. If you don't wipe, there's nothing to report. If the healer of tank stops playing their role in order to cause a wipe or a death, they can be reported.

[Darkmoonrise]

In the first and second even third vote to disband. If people are not willing to bend just vote to disband

Nope that does not work :
Disband is accepted --> "I don't want to disband, I want to do [insert instance name], you're preventing me to play the content I want to play, I report you."
Disband is not accepted --> back to the beginning and/or "I want to disband, you're preventing me to go do [insert other instance name] with my friends, I report you"

It doesn't matter if you're a lawful good paladin or a chaotic evil lala.. goblin, you cannot impose your opinion to someone else. Even if you think you're opinion is common sense, even if it is the "optimal" opinion, even if its the "bare minimum" opinion, even if whatever. If there is a disagreemeent, you're screwed.

[Lanadra]

I can imagine penalty decay is primarily meant to 'help' people who have had 2 strikes for years now get rid of one or both of those, thus taking off that pressure a bit.

If a dps pulls a group of mob and leads it to the tank and the tank stops doing its 1-2 aoe rotation or turns off its tank stance, I'd say that'd be reportable given how the example is worded.

Your hypothetical DPS would be forcing their desired playstyle on the tank... which is also reportable.

[Thamorian]

Those who keep insisting that all the Prohibited Behavior is just about not being rude either didn't read the Prohibited Behavior page, don't understand the implications with how these could be abused, or are just plain disingenuous. Over half the on the Prohibited Behavior dealing with player interaction has nothing to do with being rude or not.

[Saraide]

So, you're saying the tanks aren't the leader. You are, clearly! What if the healer is new and can't deal with a full pull? What if the tank is a beginner with questionable gear and is more comfortable with a single pull? This isn't the end of the world if the tank is single pulling, it's way more toxic if you're a dps for exapmple and is pulling ahead of the tank. You're imposing your gameplay style on them. What if because of this the healer suddenly can't keep up with the heals, or the tank doesn't know how to deal with that many mobs for whatever reason?

Ok lets dig into that one. How are you supposed to be a leader when you are a beginner? Leadership comes with competence, not titles. The great thing with pulling an extra pack as dps is that you're not forcing anyone out of their roles. Tanks are already expected to aoe and use mitigation, that's the basics of the role. If I pull an extra pack and stand in your aoes, you will automatically take over aggro. There is no difference between handling 2 mobs and handling 10 mobs. The only thing it does to healers is that they are maybe required to do the job they literally signed up for. Keep in mind that for single pulls you dont need a healer at all. 2 dps and a tank can handle single pulls just fine, similarly 2 dps and a healer can handle single pulls just fine aswell.

Of course as I said earlier, appropriate skill level depends on the people you are queued up with, the newbie tank in sastasha gets away with a lot more than a tank with 3 tanks at max level. I have pulled an additional mob pack as dps many many times and it has yet to lead to a wipe. So it apperently isnt the end of the world either.

Usually the sprout tanks I get paired up with either are very scared to even pull anything at all (that doesnt exactly spell out leadership for me) or they go in gun's blazing pull everything and are just fine (which leads to me usually being very impressed although some could just be alt accounts). It's the tanks with like 5 or 6 jobs at lvl 80 with multiple tank jobs that I will pull for. At that point single pulling is not appropriate anymore and you should know better.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Oh boy, we needed yet another thread about how big a tank should pull.

[Katie_Kitty]

However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

There's already a 30 my minute penalty for leaving. Why, oh why, pray tell, do the devs have the right to threaten us with action against our account for choosing to leave a duty in addition to that? Even if it happens often, that is OUR TIME we are choosing what to do with. Square has no right to tell us we MUST stay. Why even have the leave function to begin with if using it is actionable? It's an outrage honest