why so much players have a rush mentality

[Kolaina]

Then why exactly would a healer need to not only run ahead of the tank and pull for them (as it's the "default"), but also rescue them into a group of adds? I'd think the healer acting as the tank in this case is communicating their intent well enough, prior to a rescue, and if it was actually default, they wouldn't have to pull them in the first place. The player who would need to communicate that they would like to go slower, never gets the chance to do so, especially if they have troubles with the chat function. I digress.

My comment is specifically towards your whole using the chat function. Not about healers running ahead. I like how you cherry pick and have your own narrative. Was already said to you that you can’t pull a tank into the next group of active mobs. In that direction? Sure. But not all the way to the mobs. I’m my opinion, as is your qualifier, rescuing a tank in one direction or the other as a means to communicate without the chat function is not griefing. It’s a tug in the direction of the healers desires, whether it be more or less mobs.
So unless the healer was previously blasting the tank, it’ll be hard to prove the intent is ill willed. It’s not griefing to communicate with whatever means you can. If you can’t understand signs, or non vocal communication, thats on you, choosing to ignore it because they didn’t use the chat function. You are neglecting their attempts at telling you what they want because of some stance on right or wrong you have. Not everyone sees it as you do. The person using those means may see it as them trying to talk to you without the use of words themselves. But you want to take it as some preconceived notion of they are just being mean

[SturmChurro]

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Then I'd like users to reflect, and stop faulting tanks for killing healers and DPS who pull for them them, as they are "communicating" their intent, in a very similar fashion. It'll be hard to prove the players were killed out of ill-will, unless the tank was previously blasting the healer/DPS. They could just be a bad tank, and where would we be if SE started banning bad tanks?

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We've been over that. Killing someone is griefing.

Yes, I agree, and so is rescuing a tank into mobs. I've already been over this several times.

[Xirean]

Then I'd like users on here to stop faulting tanks for killing healers and DPS who pull for them them, as they are "communicating" their intent, in a very similar fashion.

We've been over that. Killing someone is griefing.

[Kolaina]

Then I'd like users on here to stop faulting tanks for killing healers and DPS who pull them, as they are "communicating" their intent, in a very similar fashion.

Faulting them how? If the tank can’t hold what pulled on them, and whoever pulls on them dies despite the tanks best efforts. It’s on the person who pulled. HOWEVER. If the tank turns stance off or does whatever with the attitude of “you pull it, you tank it”, then the tank is at fault. As intention is there to doom the other player, that is equivalent to mpk. That is griefing. There is intent. You can’t pick one way and excuse the other

[Lexis]

I kinda feel like tagging the next group with a spell and standing on top of the tank so that the mobs naturally get swept in his AoE rotation is a much simpler and effective way to go about this. Pulling the tank via rescue means the first group is getting dragged out of placeable AoE, plus increases the chances of the tank getting annoyed. I wouldn't go as far as calling it griefing, as I believe that's not the intent behind the gesture, just much less effective than the alternative.

And speaking of 'relocating' tanks via rescue, I'm technically guilty of that one. It was in Stormblood's first dungeon, the ghost ships one (love that dungeon). We were on one of said ghost ships where the floor gets bombarded constantly. The rest of the party was standing in a safe zone, communicating that the mobs should be tanked there but the tank ignored us and tanked everything in the middle of all the AoEs. We stood there for a while, figuring he'd catch on. He did not. I ised rescue and pulled him to us but he immediately ran back in the middle of the AoEs... at that point we just quietly facepalmed, gave up and ran in there to get this over with.

[Xirean]

Yes, I agree, and so is rescuing a tank into mobs. I've already been over this several times.

No, that's communication. Stop lumping shit together.

[Darksummoner]

Then we definitely don't play on the same deta center.

Not sure what Data Center you play on, but on mine, no matter the level of the dungeon, everyone has spoken and "Hi". And if we wipe on a boss then we talk it out and explain the fight.

I have only been playing this game for 6 and a half months and it has been the best experience(s) ever. Like I have really really enjoyed my time in Eorzea. These experiences you speak of is something I have not seen in FFXIV. Perhaps you are thinking of WoW. That type of rudeness exists in Copious amounts over there.

[Y2K21]

Frankly, I cant tell if this anti-rush mentality is legitimate or just trolling anymore because the argument has turned into such a caricature of itself that it doesnt sound like real people in real scenarios. To me, usually I dont have a problem with going slow unless its a sprout tank or sprout healer. I'd rather they be comfortable with their job than being poke with a stick on to keep up with a veteran. That would also transition to new roles for veteran players (first time tank/healers). Outside of that, you better be pulling -- as you have no excuse.

Im sorry, but thats just the honest truth of it.

These experiences you speak of is something I have not seen in FFXIV. Perhaps you are thinking of WoW. That type of rudeness exists in Copious amounts over there.

You have so much to learn then.

[Xirean]

Well I was curious so I decided to ask a GM in support chat about it. Sorry if the text is a little small, I didn't want to crop out any of the image.

[Darksummoner]

Frankly, I cant tell if this anti-rush mentality is legitimate or just trolling anymore because the argument has turned into such a caricature of itself that it doesnt sound like real people in real scenarios. To me, usually I dont have a problem with going slow unless its a sprout tank or sprout healer. I'd rather they be comfortable with their job than being poke with a stick on to keep up with a veteran. That would also transition to new roles for veteran players (first time tank/healers). Outside of that, you better be pulling -- as you have no excuse.

Im sorry, but thats just the honest truth of it.



You have so much to learn then.

Please teach me. Cause I played on WoW for 17 years. Please do teach me any lessons I might have missed from being over there. Or maybe lessons from other games perhaps.