why so much players have a rush mentality

[Kolaina]

It is griefing. That is not the purpose of rescue. This is forcing a playstyle on another player, just running ahead and pulling is one thing, but not pulling a player into mobs. I'm sure it wouldn't be bannable unless the player who is rescuing actually stated their intent in chat though.

For that matter, yeah, I already know all the explanations, and the supposed altruism of the people "rescuing" said players. Those arguments are mostly nonsense in my opinion, players just want to go fast, and don't care if they force that playstyle on others. Like, don't get me wrong, I prefer wall to wall pulls, but please people, don't sit atop a high horse, or downplay what is being done. It's frankly annoying, and goes on way too often in these sort of threads.

The intent to grief would have to be present. It can be seen as communicating. So unless the healer was actively talking before hand or the tank said not to do it again and they did anyways, I’m sure it will be passable
Also “in my opinion”. Cool. Great. But its yours. It’s evident other people have their own opinions. Yours trumps theirs how?

[Xirean]

It is griefing. That is not the purpose of rescue. This is forcing a playstyle on another player, just running ahead and pulling is one thing, but not pulling a player into mobs. I'm sure it wouldn't be bannable unless the player who is rescuing actually stated their intent in chat though.

For that matter, yeah, I already know all the explanations, and the supposed altruism of the people "rescuing" said players. Those arguments are mostly nonsense in my opinion, players just want to go fast, and don't care if they force that playstyle on others. Like, don't get me wrong, I prefer wall to wall pulls, but please people, don't sit atop a high horse, or downplay what is being done. It's frankly annoying, and goes on way too often in these sort of threads.

I find it very silly that you think that is forcing a play style when you can just walk back to the mobs and ignore them. Also trying to go intentionally slower is also forcing a playstyle on others. As is expecting them to type or brandish them as "not communicating". I'm really getting tired of this bs argument.

[MaxCarnage]

It is griefing. That is not the purpose of rescue. This is forcing a playstyle on another player, just running ahead and pulling is one thing, but not pulling a player into mobs. I'm sure it wouldn't be bannable unless the player who is rescuing actually stated their intent in chat though.

For that matter, yeah, I already know all the explanations, and the supposed altruism of the people "rescuing" said players. Those arguments are mostly nonsense in my opinion, players just want to go fast, and don't care if they force that playstyle on others. Like, don't get me wrong, I prefer wall to wall pulls, but please people, don't sit atop a high horse, or downplay what is being done. It's frankly annoying, and goes on way too often in these sort of threads.

It is not any different than someone running ahead and pulling the mobs to the tank. Either way, the mobs are picked up. So you could say that even that is "forcing your play style" (which it isn't) as the results are the exact same. How can you say one is okay and the other is griefing?

Just because you find it annoying does not make it against ToS.

[SturmChurro]

The intent to grief would have to be present. It can be seen as communicating. So unless the healer was actively talking before hand or the tank said not to do it again and they did anyways, I’m sure it will be passable
Also “in my opinion”. Cool. Great. But its yours. It’s evident other people have their own opinions. Yours trumps theirs how?

Please. That's not communication at all. There are many other ways to communicate in this game, than wasting rescue in a way it was never meant to be used; to compel a player to pull larger. If they are going to pull the mobs for the tank anyway, rescue is literally just being used to force the tank to those mobs as fast as possible. Ridiculous.

I find it very silly that you think that is forcing a play style when you can just walk back to the mobs and ignore them. Also trying to go intentionally slower is also forcing a playstyle on others. As is expecting them to type or brandish them as "not communicating". I'm really getting tired of this bs argument.

Pulling slow isn't forcing a playstyle on anybody. Pulling a player into a group of adds is. There is a difference here. If a player doesn't want to go slow, then by all means go run ahead! Just please don't act like this is a proper use of rescue.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Pulling slow isn't forcing a playstyle on anybody. Pulling a player into a group of adds is. There is a difference here. If a player doesn't want to go slow, then by all means go run ahead! Just please don't act like this is a proper use of rescue.

Everyone knows the proper use of rescue is to pull someone into an aoe.

[SturmChurro]

Everyone knows the proper use of rescue is to pull someone into an aoe.

Yes, sarcasm. Anyway, it's the opposite, but rescuing a tank into mobs will probably accomplish that purpose, and might even result in an MPK.

■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

It's fairly simple. It's not a means of communication, it's a nuisance. I get players want to go fast, but unless you are a player speedrunning in the DF, and you think you need to shave off 2-3 seconds for the tank to get to the mobs, it's unnecessary.

[Kolaina]

Everyone knows the proper use of rescue is to pull someone into an aoe.

Oh I got a short story. I was doing delubrum with my rl spouse. Last boss. Decided to troll each other. They pulled me during forced March and I landed in a safe spot anyways. However, I rescued them during push back bombs. Sprinted and I was safe. Then however… died to the ring of bad. What I didn’t notice is someone reraised them prior. So auto rezd into death ring. 1 rescue = 2 kills. If that’s not it’s proper use idk what is

[Xirean]

Please. That's not communication at all. There are many other ways to communicate in this game, than wasting rescue in a way it was never meant to be used; to compel a player to pull larger. If they are going to pull the mobs for the tank anyway, rescue is literally just being used to force the tank to those mobs as fast as possible. Ridiculous.

Pulling slow isn't forcing a playstyle on anybody. Pulling a player into a group of adds is. There is a difference here. If a player doesn't want to go slow, then by all means go run ahead! Just please don't act like this is a proper use of rescue.

You don't get to determine what is and isn't a proper use for the ability. Also if someone will only go slow then yes they are forcing a play style on others.

It's fairly simple. It's not a means of communication, it's a nuisance. I get players want to go fast, but unless you are a player speedrunning in the DF, and you think you need to shave off 2-3 seconds for the tank to get to the mobs, it's unnecessary.

You also don't get to determine what isn't a means of communication. Literally anything can be communication. You just don't like it. But if I use rescue on a tank to pull them further along, I am intending communication to pull more mobs. If they ignore that and walk back and don't pull more, then they are communicating to me that they won't.

[MaxCarnage]

Yes, sarcasm. Anyway, it's the opposite, but rescuing a tank into mobs will probably accomplish that purpose, and might even result in an MPK.



It's fairly simple. It's not a means of communication, it's a nuisance. I get players want to go fast, but unless you are a player speedrunning in the DF, and you think you need to shave off 2-3 seconds for the tank to get to the mobs, it's unnecessary.

Ah, so if they don't die because of it, it is no longer an issue. That even says that a penalty -may- be possible if it causes a wipe. But as the healer doing it is going to obviously heal the pull, it would only become an issue if the tank refuses to pick up the mobs. So then, would it not be the tank griefing?

Like I said, it's annoying. If you don't like someone doing it, tell them. As you say communication is so important, after all. Running to the GMs because someone rescued you into a group of mobs as a tank, and then proceeded to keep you alive would be quite silly.

[Kolaina]

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