I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

[HyoMinPark]

"But I don't think people not wanting to be bored playing the role they want to play is vanity."
"Too bad healing in this game is also boring outside of the hardest content in the game."
"It's almost as if making blanket changes to appeal to a subset of people at a certain skill level is bad, it's a good thing they've never done that with healers.... oh wait."

I get it. You have all said it repeatedly. You're bored with healing the way it is. That's a you problem.

Stop trying to make healers more of a dps class because you DON'T SEEM TO CARE FOR HEALING ALL THAT MUCH AND WANT TO STEP AWAY FROM THE FUNDEMANTAL CORE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A HEALER, WHICH IS SIMPLY HEALING. Not everyone wants to kill the lore and turn healers into better murder-machines because some players can't hold still for a few seconds during a fight.

Again, more support options, sure. NO MORE DIPS for HEALERS, ty.

I’d ask if you’re actually reading what people are saying, but I believe you mentioned earlier in the thread that you aren’t. So not much point in that—I already have my answer. Even if I didn’t get it from just reading this response from you.

However, I’ll bang my head against this brick wall one more time: healer mains have been asking for years for more in-depth healer mechanics but the developers refuse to give us more healing to do. The developers do not want to upset the baby healers, so they dumbed down the role just as they have dumbed down other roles. These healers are NOT wanting to be green DPS—they just want to be engaged in their role. If it isn’t through healing, well, it has to be through damage because we sure as heck aren’t doing anything else in this game. They won’t let us!!

Besides, FFXIV being so damage-oriented isn’t entirely the fault of the playerbase. The devs were the ones that removed things like debuff cleansing and crowd control throughout the expansions, and gave mitigation tools to every single role to the point that they are redundant (seriously, every role has x% mitigation now). If you wanted more support options, you’d need to take them away from the other roles, because adding support onto the healers would just add to the oversaturation at this point. And, to be frank, his support you’re speaking of was originally a physical ranged mechanic. Not a healer mechanic.

Nowadays, the only “healer mechanics” we get are “HEAL TO FULL OR DOOM KILL EVERYONE”. Which is easily taken care of by one healer more times than not (see: TGC’s Cleansing Strike). Sometimes we get things like E12S’s pre-enrage healer check or E11S’s cycles—it just sucks that, with gear and a good group, it’s not even a threat anymore.

If you had bothered to read my post instead of taking one line out of context, you’d see that I am asking for more reasons to use my ENTIRE toolkit. I am complaining about my kit being overkill. They won’t give them to me, so at least give me some other kind of mental engagement. Standing around waiting for someone to take damage certainly ain’t it. And I’d be standing around for a lot more than just “a few seconds” in most content in this game if I were to just heal and do nothing else.

When you have this many healers being bored with healer gameplay, it is no longer a “you” problem but a job design problem, an encounter design problem, or both.

[Drkdays]

If it isn’t through healing, well, it has to be through damage because we sure as heck aren’t doing anything else in this game. They won’t let us!!

@Axxion. I wonder.

[HyoMinPark]

@Axxion. I wonder.

I’d appreciate it if you’d stop taking my posts out of context, thanks.

Good job omitting the prior remark I made about how I’ve been asking for more healing to do; and since the devs won’t give me that, now I am asking for another form of engagement.

And it isn’t just me. It’s a lot of the career healers. Again, this is far more than a “you” problem. It’s a combination of role design and combat design.

It not more dps options it making it more interesting then it currently are. To keep you more engage then what they are now. I dont know where people keep getting more dps options from.

They don’t have a proper argument, so they skew remarks or take sentences out of context to attempt to make one.

[Acece]

I think we've just been talking in circles for a while so let us stop indulging them, lets just say they suck and leave it lol. Sylphies will never change their minds so no point in trying to debate them when they don't even try to come to it with an open mind.

[Ilyrian]

This is prime bait. Grade A.

[Saefinn]

"But I don't think people not wanting to be bored playing the role they want to play is vanity."
"Too bad healing in this game is also boring outside of the hardest content in the game."
"It's almost as if making blanket changes to appeal to a subset of people at a certain skill level is bad, it's a good thing they've never done that with healers.... oh wait."

I get it. You have all said it repeatedly. You're bored with healing the way it is. That's a you problem.

Stop trying to make healers more of a dps class because you DON'T SEEM TO CARE FOR HEALING ALL THAT MUCH AND WANT TO STEP AWAY FROM THE FUNDEMANTAL CORE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A HEALER, WHICH IS SIMPLY HEALING. Not everyone wants to kill the lore and turn healers into better murder-machines because some players can't hold still for a few seconds during a fight.

Again, more support options, sure. NO MORE DIPS for HEALERS, ty.

And this is where you are wrong and are either trying to be obtuse or haven't listened to anybody. The way you are framing it is very far off the mark. I am starting to feel like you're arguing from bad faith.

I care about healing. It's NOT that I WANT to step away from the fundamental core of what it means to be a healer. It's because the game ALREADY does this. The downtime is there, it exists and we can't fill it with healing because all the healing that needed is done.

I look at these big healing kits we've got and lament I don't get to use it fully.

We are left with DPS and this is because of how this game is designed, there are no other meaningful options they can put in place except anything that contributes to rDPS, unless they change fundamental core design. Again, if they make fundamental changes that offer better support options as a healer then fine, I'd embrace it because I love being a healer. If it was about wanting to DPS then I'd play a DPS.

But I am also realist and don't think the devs would make THAT much of a drastic change to make healing engaging again. And I don't think they would do anything to make playing a healer less accessible.

[Axxion]

@Axxion. I wonder.

I'm talking prior to hyo response. Many people always argue that people that want healing to be more engaging just want complex rotations. Which always lead down a rabbit hole on which they are wrong.

What Hyo is saying ( please correct me if im wrong) is that if healers are not going to be interesting then make healers dps heal us. take sage and how there kits work. While they attack they also heal the team.

I’d appreciate it if you’d stop taking my posts out of context, thanks.

Good job omitting the prior remark I made about how I’ve been asking for more healing to do; and since the devs won’t give me that, now I am asking for another form of engagement.

And it isn’t just me. It’s a lot of the career healers. Again, this is far more than a “you” problem. It’s a combination of role design and combat design.



They don’t have a proper argument, so they skew remarks or take sentences out of context to attempt to make one.

I can agree to that.

[Drkdays]

lets just say they suck and leave it lol. Sylphies will never change their minds so no point in trying to debate them

Very open minded if you.

@Saefinn. Why make it sound as if healers spend more time either twiddling their thumbs or spam clicking a single dps button than they ever do healing? I have never experienced this and it makes me wonder if we are even playing the same game or you and others are being obtuse or arguing in bad faith.

This is what really gets me. There is already plenty to do as a healer and y'all make it sound as if you practically afk during fights, be it sastasha or eden savage, unless you force yourself to spam the dps button, which kills your credibility.

[Ironthorne]

Very open minded if you.

@Saefinn. Why make it sound as if healers spend more time either twiddling their thumbs or spam clicking a single dps button than they ever do healing? I have never experienced this and it makes me wonder if we are even playing the same game or you and others are being obtuse or arguing in bad faith.

This is what really gets me. There is already plenty to do as a healer and y'all make it sound as if you practically afk during fights unless you force yourself to spam the dps button, which kills your credibility.

People who made the argument have posted numerous run records to demonstrate their points. Why don't you do the same?

[HyoMinPark]

I'm talking prior to hyo response. Many people always argue that people that want healing to be more engaging just want complex rotations. Which always lead down a rabbit hole on which they are wrong.

What Hyo is saying ( please correct me if im wrong) is that if healers are not going to be interesting then make healers dps heal us. take sage and how there kits work. While they attack they also heal the team.

I’ll clarify a bit.

Basically, I’m in the camp of healers that wants more reasons to use my healing toolkit. As it stands, I can heal most big mechanics with oGCDs. I have an answer for nearly everything even with paired with a healer that still thinks Cure I spam is acceptable practice at level 80. And my answers are all overkill. Things like Horoscope Helios, Neutral Sect, Seraph. All of those are overkill in a lot of content because the outgoing damage is spread too thin, or just paltry unless the entire party is sporting 4 stacks of vulnerability up.

I want to use my shiny new toys, but the developers do not want to overwhelm baby healers. Fine. I can accept that even if I don’t like it. The problem is, is that this carries into harder content as well. Savage. Ultimate. There are a myriad of examples where I am spending more GCDs on Glare/Malefic/Broil/Dosis than healing.

So, if the developers do not want to give me more healing to focus on, at least make what I am doing a bit more engaging. Which is spamming my 1 nuke. I’m not even asking for combos. I’d be happy if they brought back Aero III/Miasma II for the jobs. Just something else to upkeep since they won’t let me focus on healing more.

SGE’s gameplay of healing being directly tied to damage is amazing. I would love more kit interactions like that—but I know it’s an unrealistic desire, since it would force non-DPSing healers to actually press their damage buttons. And the developers have said they will never force that. Their solution to the other three healers being boring as sin to play when it comes to DPS rotational complexity is to basically play SGE. Which is sad. I’d love for all three to have kit interactions like SGE. (That aren’t a damage loss, which Misery technically is.)

Very open minded if you.

@Saefinn. Why make it sound as if healers spend more time either twiddling their thumbs or spam clicking a single dps button than they ever do healing? I have never experienced this and it makes me wonder if we are even playing the same game or you and others are being obtuse or arguing in bad faith.

This is what really gets me. There is already plenty to do as a healer and y'all make it sound as if you practically afk during fights, be it sastasha or eden savage, unless you force yourself to spam the dps button, which kills your credibility.

No, there really isn’t. Your insistence that there is tells me you either don’t actually heal content—or you are one of those spam-Cure I-on-a-90%-HP-tank/100%-Medica-II-uptime kind of healers. Even in Eden Savage, the majority of any healer’s casts are damage ones. Just pull any halfway decent healer log and look at their total casts. Even in Ultimate, a healer is doing more damage than actually healing. Seems a bit backwards to me. If only the developers would actually give us more healing to do.