SE are leaving BLM to rot by giving SMN and RDM even more utility

[Rai_Takara]

Good news for some folks. Yoshi has stated that if SMN rework in 6.x is a success from a balance perspective, raise will be removed in 7.0. It was only included in 6.x as an insurance in case they messed up balance.

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――さきほどの吟遊詩人の問題と同じで、いる派といらない派の両方がいますからね。
So it was similar to the issues with Bard mentioned earlier, and there are players who think it was necessary or otherwise.

吉田「“リザレク”を使うと、MPがなくなるし、火力も下がるから嫌。蘇生を期待されるくらいなら、最初からないほうがいい」という人もいると思いますが、そういう人は固定パーティーなどの人脈に恵まれている人でもあるのかな、と思うのです。逆に、召喚士といえば、「パーティーにいてくれれば“リザレク”の保証がある」と感じている人も多いと思います。つまり召喚士をパーティーに入れるメリットが、意識の中に存在している、ということです。大きくジョブのメカニクスを変えたぶんだけ、保険も必要だと考えました。ただ、この改修が上手く回るようなら、今後なくす可能性は大いにあると思っていてください。

　あと「黒魔道士に蘇生手段を入れては？」という話題も拝見したことがありますが、開発チームに「一応聞きますけど……」と尋ねられた際に、「黒魔道士には、蘇生に使う“迅速魔”はない」と返しました。すみません。「“三連魔”と“迅速魔”で4人起こせますよ！」と冗談も飛んだのですが、「蘇生手段を持っていても、黒魔道士は蘇生しないだろうなあ」と。破壊の力である黒魔法の使い手ですし……（苦笑）。
Yoshida: Of course there are people who think “we’ll be out of MP and our firepower would drop if we use Resurrection. If people expected us to raise them, might as well remove them completely”, but I feel that those who think so are ones who are blessed with connections through static parties. On the other hand, there are people who would think parties with Summoners are definitely guaranteed with Resurrection, and this means players may subconsciously think there are merits of having a Summoner in the party. We thought Summoners should have some form of insurance despite having drastic changes to its job mechanics. However, please take note that the chances of Resurrection getting removed completely in the future will be high if this rework ends up going well.

I also used to see comments about “what about Black Mages, will they gain any methods to resurrect?” and the development team inquired about the possibility, to which I replied “There are no resurrection type spells for Black Mages to use their Swiftcast on”. So yes, I apologize. There were jokes about having to resurrect up to 4 times using Triplecast and Swiftcast but I don’t think Black Mages would be using Resurrection spells even if they have one. I mean, Black Mages are destructive and they are experts in destruction… (laughs bitterly)

Key words: "However, please take note that the chances of Resurrection getting removed completely in the future will be high if this rework ends up going well."

I highly doubt SE will allow RDM raise to exist as freely either if that happens, so it'll either be neutered or removed (in which case they can get some other white mage spell for flavor that's situational like vercure but not a must have like raise) as well. After all, raise tax is stupid and this will finally get to balance SMN and RDM with BLM (who now have ample mobility unlike popular opinion).

[ItMe]

Good news for some folks. Yoshi has stated that if SMN rework in 6.x is a success from a balance perspective, raise will be removed in 7.0. It was only included in 6.x as an insurance in case they messed up balance.

Source:

Interesting...
Where is this interview from?

[Rai_Takara]

Interesting...
Where is this interview from?

Not sure, but here is a reddit post that also talks about it.

[ItMe]

Not sure, but here is a reddit post that also talks about it.

Wonderful.
Thanks for the link~

[Katie_Kitty]

I highly doubt SE will allow RDM raise to exist as freely either if that happens, so it'll either be neutered or removed

Okay, stretch armstrong.

Let's be real here: Verraise is the only true manifestation of a Red Mage's versatility in this version of the job. You absolutely cannot remove it without obliterating the job's identity, plain and simple. It would and should cause an uproar.

So, no, I don't believe they need to dump verraise or neuter verraise just because SMN loses their's. It's absolutely logical to allow RDM to be the only DPS with a raise.

[zcrash970]

Good news for some folks. Yoshi has stated that if SMN rework in 6.x is a success from a balance perspective, raise will be removed in 7.0. It was only included in 6.x as an insurance in case they messed up balance.

Source:


Key words: "However, please take note that the chances of Resurrection getting removed completely in the future will be high if this rework ends up going well."

I highly doubt SE will allow RDM raise to exist as freely either if that happens, so it'll either be neutered or removed (in which case they can get some other white mage spell for flavor that's situational like vercure but not a must have like raise) as well. After all, raise tax is stupid and this will finally get to balance SMN and RDM with BLM (who now have ample mobility unlike popular opinion).

My only problem with this is he shouldn't say it's a success for balance until we get our hands on the things and test things out.
The playerbase is generally better players than the dev team and they admitted that awhile ago. Hell there's already a rotation for BLM floating around using transpose to skip blizzard 4 cast and mathematically it does more dps than a standard rotation. I doubt they planned for that

[Taranok]

My only problem with this is he shouldn't say it's a success for balance until we get our hands on the things and test things out.
The playerbase is generally better players than the dev team and they admitted that awhile ago. Hell there's already a rotation for BLM floating around using transpose to skip blizzard 4 cast and mathematically it does more dps than a standard rotation. I doubt they planned for that

You can't skip blizzard 4. Without B4 you can't get paradox, and paradox is such a big DPS increase that you'd have to basically short circuit the entire AF phase for it to work out. Which wouldn't be too surprising. But yeah, you can save a firestarter proc, go through the rest of AF/UI phase, then transpose and burn the proc, and double fire 3's transitional potency. It's quite silly just how much you can break BLM because the devs refuse to actually fix its core design problem (AF/UI having timers to provide structure to the class).

[zcrash970]

You can't skip blizzard 4. Without B4 you can't get paradox, and paradox is such a big DPS increase that you'd have to basically short circuit the entire AF phase for it to work out. Which wouldn't be too surprising. But yeah, you can save a firestarter proc, go through the rest of AF/UI phase, then transpose and burn the proc, and double fire 3's transitional potency. It's quite silly just how much you can break BLM because the devs refuse to actually fix its core design problem (AF/UI having timers to provide structure to the class).

Actually you can. Transpose grants,, paradox at the moment.
They should probably fix that.
That and having firestarter last 30 seconds leads to some interesting applications.

So despair> transpose(gain para)> paradox>firestarter fire3l
It's sound atm

https://youtu.be/3W-PSBBdmOs

[Taranok]

Actually you can. Transpose grants,, paradox at the moment.
They should probably fix that.
That and having firestarter last 30 seconds leads to some interesting applications.

So despair> transpose(gain para)> paradox>firestarter fire3l
It's sound atm

https://youtu.be/3W-PSBBdmOs

The problem is if you don't have Umbral Hearts 3, you cannot get Paradox from going out of UI3 into AF. It's on the trait. This is why I bring it up as a point of the devs intentionally trying to destroy rotations that avoid B4 by making B4 necessary to get Paradox while also making Paradox higher DPS than fire 4.

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[SnowVix]

My only problem with this is he shouldn't say it's a success for balance until we get our hands on the things and test things out.
The playerbase is generally better players than the dev team and they admitted that awhile ago. Hell there's already a rotation for BLM floating around using transpose to skip blizzard 4 cast and mathematically it does more dps than a standard rotation. I doubt they planned for that

he literally didn't say that it's a success for balance, though? there's a conditional in the sentence you glossed right over.

"if this rework ends up going well"