Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Oh it's this thread again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

You won't get more than that.

Im not so sure. Yoshida said in one of the recent media tour interviews, when asked about an officially sanctioned race to world first event for EW, that for one to occur, third party tools would have to be hard cracked down on. Im paraphrasing of course, but he said it.

[Saraide]

Im not so sure. Yoshida said in one of the recent media tour interviews, when asked about an officially sanctioned race to world first event for EW, that for one to occur, third party tools would have to be hard cracked down on. Im paraphrasing of course, but he said it.

Do you have a link to that perhaps? Hard cracking down on third party tools means no discord communication, no excel sheets for BiS calculations, hell not even streaming because looking through vods lets you look for when mistakes happened.

The problem isn't the devs designing the encounters around the addons or not. It's that since they exist, a notable portion of the raiding community requiring them. Ive been gaming and working with software all my life and this is the first time I have ever seen a company allow software that modifies the code of the game running. These aren't xml UI mods. These are what's known as "trainers" in the industry. It's baffling that these have anything more than a zero tolerance policy.

But cactbot only reads packets, it's not modifying game code. Or are we talking about something else now?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Do you have a link to that perhaps? Hard cracking down on third party tools means no discord communication, no excel sheets for BiS calculations, hell not even streaming because looking through vods lets you look for when mistakes happened.



But cactbot only reads packets, it's not modifying game code. Or are we talking about something else now?

I've watched dozens of hours of interviews the past couple of weeks. No I don't have a link but im pretty sure it was the interview he did with the dude from method, and I thought it was obvious this isn't "just about cactpot" at this point. And like I said about paraphrasing, im sure in this context "third party tools" doesn't mean spreadsheets and calculators but tools that directly interface with the games code running on someones machine. Something that actually modifies the game like certain "xiv plugins."

[Saraide]

I've watched dozens of hours of interviews the past couple of weeks. No I don't have a link but im pretty sure it was the interview he did with the dude from method, and I thought it was obvious this isn't "just about cactpot" at this point. And like I said about paraphrasing, im sure in this context "third party tools" doesn't mean spreadsheets and calculators but tools that directly interface with the games code running on someones machine. Something that actually modifies the game like certain "xiv plugins."

Having a hard time finding the interview you are talking about, I dont see an interview with method or the person who runs it. The most readily available plugins are from dalamud plugins, mostly just UI and QoL related, very few of them actually do something other than displaying information you could just have on a second monitor. The hitbox plugin sounds broken until you realize that no fight is designed with it in mind so the benefit it has is restricted to like 2 attacks in the entirety of bozja. I have yet to see intentionally extremly tiny safespots showing up anywhere else. If specific lines or borders are important in a fight, the arena floor has them printed on it.
The plugin displaying exact aoes under you is to my knowledge custom made and not available to the public, no one can require you to have it.

When third party tools need to be cracked down on hard, SE would need to draw a line what is and isnt ok but that's a futile effort. A mouse with extra buttons is going to affect the game a lot more than any of the dalamud plugins.

There really is no reason to panic and even less to start fear mongering. People are taking shortcuts and while that's not good, the impact of that is very low. Even if you were to join a group of all cactbot users with combo and hitbox plugin or whatever, the only way for you to fall behind is if you yourself are slow to learning. We saw this with the wow streamer that cleared ucob. His learning process was massively accelerated by having experts because the only mistakes he was left to deal with were his own. (the question of if he was carried or not is of course for another thread, anyone wanna do that one again?)

The game is designed for not using third party tools, which means unless your party is literally forcing you to post screenshots of your overlay (in which case leaving that party would be the best course of action anyway) there is no way for them to check if you have plugins/cactbot active.