Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I honestly dont think this will ever be a concern in FF14 for multiple reasons. The game is on consoles, meaning it will always have to be designed without those tools. The devs dont want people to use tools, so they design encounters around not having them. Raid rewards are not going away once the tier is finished, meaning raiders are not under threat of missing out if they decide to take things slow or do it later.

The problem isn't the devs designing the encounters around the addons or not. It's that since they exist, a notable portion of the raiding community requiring them. Ive been gaming and working with software all my life and this is the first time I have ever seen a company allow software that modifies the code of the game running. These aren't xml UI mods. These are what's known as "trainers" in the industry. It's baffling that these have anything more than a zero tolerance policy.

[LisSquid]

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You don't have a single job at 80, so I am going to try to explain why this dead horse thread is amusing. Cactbot runs on reading out the script of a fight. This is already written out and understood by anyone going into Savage pretty early on. Generally after week 1, but sometimes it takes a bit longer. Cactbot is unusable in this time because it depends on this timeline, so these "World Firsters are cheating!" is not true. They usually publish the timeline themselves.

Just posting the link here, because the image is actually pretty large.
https://i.imgur.com/QoMUApw.png
This is the timeline of P1 for E12s. This is how the fight will play out every single pull, and without exception besides the absolute nuking of the boss.

This isn't WoW. There is no magic DBM that gives you markers and individual callouts over your head. This oogey boogeyman is an annoying TTS reader that is more obtrusive than anything else, because players making their own callouts will be drowned out. Because it is a simple TTS program, it cannot ever change for RNG, unlike DBM (which people in this thread seem to be more familiar with). DBM is a way more sophisticated program that Blizzard basically made mandatory due to not designing well structured encounters.

Is there some benefit to being alerted to a mechanic? Not any more than just having progged it, and the fight becomes monkey-brained muscle memory. TTS isn't going to help you clear the content. If someone can't clear, then using Cactbot isn't going to help because there is a deeper issue at play there.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

You don't have a single job at 80, so I am going to try to explain why this dead horse thread is amusing. Cactbot runs on reading out the script of a fight. This is already written out and understood by anyone going into Savage pretty early on. Generally after week 1, but sometimes it takes a bit longer. Cactbot is unusable in this time because it depends on this timeline, so these "World Firsters are cheating!" is not true. They usually publish the timeline themselves.

Just posting the link here, because the image is actually pretty large.
https://i.imgur.com/QoMUApw.png
This is the timeline of P1 for E12s. This is how the fight will play out every single pull, and without exception besides the absolute nuking of the boss.

This isn't WoW. There is no magic DBM that gives you markers and individual callouts over your head. This oogey boogeyman is an annoying TTS reader that is more obtrusive than anything else, because players making their own callouts will be drowned out. Because it is a simple TTS program, it cannot ever change for RNG, unlike DBM (which people in this thread seem to be more familiar with). DBM is a way more sophisticated program that Blizzard basically made mandatory due to not designing well structured encounters.

Is there some benefit to being alerted to a mechanic? Not any more than just having progged it, and the fight becomes monkey-brained muscle memory. TTS isn't going to help you clear the content. If someone can't clear, then using Cactbot isn't going to help because there is a deeper issue at play there.

Do you think this is purely about cactbot? I won't post them here but the amount of advantages and actions that these third party tools can do in the game is astounding and an unfair advantage that I am sure you are already well aware of based on your other knowledge. I won't post them here but its easy to find how to install and use them and what they can do with a quick google search. Don't be so obviously disingenuous as to resorting to the WoW equivalent of "lol post on your main." It isn't the checkmate that you think it is.

Also, to add, you talk about magic DBM with WoW. Ironically, the addons available for wow actually are just LUA UI modifications. Third party programs that modify the games code in memory are actually bannable in WoW...but not in this game! The XIV toll can actually get away with doing MORE than what third party tools can do in WoW! Astounding.

[LisSquid]

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I am simply posting from what I can see, not unlike how I can clear content just fine doing the same. You're posting from a character who wouldn't have experienced the content these 3rd party tools would somehow help. I will repeat as I said earlier in this thread: If you need a tool that tells you to move right when the left side of the room is lava then you are not going to clear with or without it. Encounter design isn't nearly that sloppy.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I am simply posting from what I can see, not unlike how I can clear content just fine doing the same. You're posting from a character who wouldn't have experienced the content these 3rd party tools would somehow help. I will repeat as I said earlier in this thread: If you need a tool that tells you to move right when the left side of the room is lava then you are not going to clear with or without it. Encounter design isn't nearly that sloppy.

Again these tools, that are as simple to add and use as clicking "install" do much, much more than that. If they just "modified the UI" it actually wouldnt be that big of a deal.

A few things I was able to come up with easily that ONE program you download allows you to do along with many other things:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))