Some healers are taking the entire ogcd heal thing to the extreme.

[KDSilver]

No wonder devs think like they do.

[Deceptus]

It's near the end of SHB. I'm starting to get fed up with it because I keep encountering more and more Glare mages who refused to even cast medica on a raid wide aoe when lilies and assize are on cool down. It used to be selfish SCHs (in HW) behave this way acting like a DPS, but after SHB, more and more WHMs just wants to Glare.

I've seen this extreme case multiple times in neir raid with first time players in party lately. One time I had to pretty much suffer as a SCH spamming shield, indom, and fairy on cd because this Glare mage won't heal the party past 50% without lilies. The Lily system might need a nerf if there are players acting like hard cast healing spell is a sin or something. Really threw the whole teamwork out of the window.

Did anyone die? No? Healer did their job sufficiently.

Don't care about what they press otherwise. You should be happy they were probably out damaging other people.

[ty_taurus]

Can we stop jumping to extreme conclusions about a post? Was merely pointing out that the OP wasn’t entirely wrong. Furthermore, my example wasn’t extreme. Happens quite a bit, just like healers that stand around and only heal. The difference is SE seems to agree that is acceptable for healers to heal bot. Instead of them using their entire kit.

It's like when you're having a conversation with someone, and every time you say a general statement like "no one drives a 1940s Cadillac anymore," that person responds with "There's probably someone out there who does." Well yeah, is there a small number of people in existence who are still driving a 1940s Cadillac? Probably, but generally speaking that number is small enough that we can say "no one" and silently understand that it doesn't literally mean no one.

In other words, bringing up the "um actually"s on fringe cases like the healer that never DPSs or the healer that only DPSs is just derailing focus away from the bigger issues. Nothing you do will ever eliminate fringe scenarios in an online game. Let's stop pretending that it's a major issue and start focusing on the real problems. That's the point I'm trying to get at.

[SweetPete]

Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

[Semirhage]

Yeah, that's the problem with 5 CPM healers. The refusal to GCD heal. And having damage spells. Hit the nail on the head.

[inhaledcorn]

Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

He came to the official forums to rant about healers DPSing, yet no one was dead, where you can find a bunch of threads on the front page alone about healers wanting to do DPS. I don't know what he expected. Did he honestly think everyone here were curebots and would come to give him bandages for his boo-boos? He absolutely failed to read the room. Healers here are jaded af.

[Silver-Strider]

Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

Considering OP states that the healer in question wouldn't heal outside of Lily usage and than argues to NERF the Lily system, it leads to a couple of problem. 1)The other healer was contributing to healing, even if only in part because of the Lily Heals. 2) By suggesting to nerf the Lily System, they are content to nerf the healer with the least amount of oGCD heals even further to try and force them to heal more, while on a SCH, the healer with possibly the most, and arguably the best, oGCD heals in the game.

The Lily system is already being nerfed indirectly as a result of the changes in EW. The potency increase to Glare as well as the 1.5 GCD change to attack spells have now rendered Lilies as a mobility tool less than ideal to weave without DPS lose and every time a WHM is losing damage, their value in the raid team diminishes because that is all the utility they bring to the party. While something as mindless as an Alliance Raid really doesn't warrant meta strategies to pull off, it also doesn't require that much healing either. Hell, me and my friend cohealed all of Neir to such an extent we knew when and where to weave our oGCD heals to perfection without using a single GCD heal (outside of downtime for an Addlo/Deployment).

Yeah, teaming up against OP is kind of a D move but so is asking for nerfs to healers toolkit when it's already getting that anyways.

[Saefinn]

Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

The guy did not make any indication that anybody died but only that they let health stay below 50%. So if the case then it's not something to really complain about because the healer is still doing their job, but this is still a thing some people complain about and it's silly.

However, I have noticed he has since updated his post to say that people did die. Which I think changes things a bit and wish they included it, because then yes, their healer is doing something wrong. However, I feel we need to give some allowance for our healers to make mistakes and this DPS priority is a complaint that's been around since ARR and it's not going anywhere because of one basic truth: good performance is based on overall DPS contribution in this game. Yes, it does mean a dead player is not doing damage, so it's a DPS loss. But it will mean people will try to find that balance between DPS and heals and maximise their DPS contribution and with that comes mistakes. I feel like it is exasperated by the fact it's so easy to tunnel vision now because you're caught in a loop of casting the same thing over and over.

The problem with healers making mistakes is the price can be greater, but then my follow up question, when I get Titania in a trial roulette, should I be annoyed that most of the time my DPS don't know how to dodge or don't DPS well or can't manage dodging and DPS uptime? Because it's a normal difficulty fight where success or failure is put on their shoulders for a section of the fight and it takes a few wipes before they get that balance. And when I'm an AST, I'm reserving all my DPS potential in card mechanics for that window to make sure the DPS output is higher.

Sure within all that you also get healers with bad attitudes and that just adds to the mix and those are simply the luck of the draw.

As for your suggestion, GCD's are less efficient and that's why people don't use them so much. Most of the time damage is not frequent or intense enough to warrant much use of GCD's.

[Comfort]

More often my experience is I'm paired with a healer that just brute force GCD heals the group fo full as soon as the damage happens.

This happens a lot with WHMs who will Medica 2 and then use lily aoe/Medica to top immediately wasting Medica 2 hot.

In these cases I will just be a Glare mage, maybe you gave the other healers reason to think you fit into this category?

There is still a significant amount of healers who do play more optimally to get good use out of both of our oGCDs though.

[lulunami]

I blame healers not reading the tool tips on their spells and abilities. After reading and digesting the information, one would come to the conclusion that the strongest heals are attributed to oGCD abilities. The damage output is infrequent enough that oGCD heals will cover the overwhelming majority of healing.

In order for GCD spam healing to be the most efficient, they would have to buff GCD heals and nerf oGCD heals. They could also increase the healing requirement so that the majority of casual healers would struggle to clear content.