Just want to say thanks to the influencers actually asking healer questions

[Recon1o6]

It was a shock genuinely that not only were questions asked, but some of them were answered directly.
A pity others were deflected since each one was vital in their own way.

But we now know at least the reasons the last 2 years for ast/sch and 4 for whm being so awful were spent by the devs being blind to job feedback in general (blood weapon anybody?) and still being completely wrong about how healers play.

We have their attention now, so over the next few years we need to keep it up to get our dps actions back, partly by quitting sage if it does turn out to be a dosis spammer to join the ranks of glare/broil/malefic or flocking to it if they do make toxikon an actual gain. The devs will be stubborn no doubt but then so must we.

They have no excuse not to get a proper healer designer now- ff14's the biggest profit maker they ever had https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-in-the-series


So thank you influencers. I freely admit I always had a low opinion of most, but you earned my respect for using your positions to put the devs on the spot at last.

[Irenia]

Alas, as long as they believe that their current methodology is the best way to continue the success they have enjoyed so far, it'd be a long shot to expect any change, even if they got more personnel.

That said, I'm glad for the questions, and I hope it does at least start some inquiries on things like why they had trouble designing for scholar, among many other things.

[Saefinn]

Yeah, kudos to them. I was glad they did this, I know we've been wanting to hear communication for a long time. And I am also happy that Yoshi P did not dodge the question or give a non-answer and gave more of their insight, whether or not we agree with said insight, I feel it's positive in that a) we know they're aware and b) that it's in their mind when making their decisions.

I feel like it means we can better direct our feedback on the issues and how we think they can be improved.

This is where it starts to feel like we're MNK. So we might be able get progress if we keep giving feedback, at least one hopes. Their comments about MNK have missed the mark in the past despite acknowledging issues. Though it still took MNK a long time to get where they are now.

[Garnix]

Alas, as long as they believe that their current methodology is the best way to continue the success they have enjoyed so far, it'd be a long shot to expect any change, even if they got more personnel.

That said, I'm glad for the questions, and I hope it does at least start some inquiries on things like why they had trouble designing for scholar, among many other things.

In his interview with Asmon, and despite having expressed his opposition to the idea for a loooooong time, Yoshida said that they are now really considering adding end-game content for small groups.
They are listening, and we have the power to change their mind for sure. It just takes time.

They will look at the feedback closely after launch, and even more after the first raid launches.
So I hope to see the forums flooded with negative feedback on healers after the raid tier launches. But most players probably won't care.

[ItMe]

They are listening, and we have the power to change their mind for sure. It just takes time.

God does it.
In one of the interviews Yoshi P said some of their UI changes (like the achievement changes) are something they've had in the works since frickin ARR!

[MellowMink]

I definitely appreciate the direct questions to higher-level developers by some interviewers. Now if only said developers would read and respond to forum feedback from lower-level players too.

[Gemina]

Why so much animosity OP? Did the devs make your birthday cake blow up in your face or something? It's a genuine question as I am not sure why you harbor such resentment towards the dev team, and still play the game.

The function of the influencers was not to checkmate the dev team into action. Part of the reason why they are there is to filter comments and views such as yours into something a little more pleasant. That way, when Yoshi responds, he gives a detailed and elaborate answer. None of Yoshida's responses to any of them even remotely hinted that they would be adding more offensive skills in the future, or adding another designer that is healer oriented; and he even tripled down on the current design. He already knows some of the advanced healers would like more responsibility. He has known this for quite some time. He has simply decided against it. Your post makes it sound like you won something, and I am curious as to what exactly that is.

Anywho, I am thankful towards them as well. They put a lot of hard work in to gain the privilege to have a one on one with Yoshida, and even more work to provide a voice for the entire community. That can't be easy at all. I feel it was important to ask healer specific questions, and hopefully most of us can figure out ways to put a positive spin on some of things that were a bit disappointing to hear.

[Laphicet]

Why so much animosity OP? Did the devs make your birthday cake blow up in your face or something? It's a genuine question as I am not sure why you harbor such resentment towards the dev team, and still play the game.

They fucked over various healers for going on four years now and didn't listen to any of the complaints... and still aren't listening to any of the complaints and are doubling down on the shitty ShB "focus on healing" bullshit. All while continuing to do shit like gut ASTs lore via gutting its kit, undermining the interconnections between lore and kit, AND on top of all that fuck over the job quests and change characters completely. Not to even get into WHM becoming even more divorced from its elemental roots and becoming a Bishop-in-all-but-name, plus SCH being a fucking joke of a class compared to what it was. AND THEN when they finally add a new "Dps-focused' healer, it's not dps focused at all and has basically the exact same dps kit as all the other healers.

Of course people are going to be fucking pissed. Me included. That's not even getting into all the other shit with crappy, overly-feminine gear design and all the other aesthetic and reward issues healers have due to neglect.

[Gemina]

They fucked over various healers for going on four years now and didn't listen to any of the complaints... and still aren't listening to any of the complaints and are doubling down on the shitty ShB "focus on healing" bullshit. All while continuing to do shit like gut ASTs lore via gutting its kit, undermining the interconnections between lore and kit, AND on top of all that fuck over the job quests and change characters completely. Not to even get into WHM becoming even more divorced from its elemental roots and becoming a Bishop-in-all-but-name, plus SCH being a fucking joke of a class compared to what it was. AND THEN when they finally add a new "Dps-focused' healer, it's not dps focused at all and has basically the exact same dps kit as all the other healers.

Of course people are going to be fucking pissed. Me included. That's not even getting into all the other shit with crappy, overly-feminine gear design and all the other aesthetic and reward issues healers have due to neglect.

Good lord. That's a lot of anger. A lot of wasted energy. Again though, why are you still playing if your enjoyment has been ruined so much? I fail to understand.

[PondHollow]

Yeah I was so pleased we got these questions, even though I wasn't expecting any changes in healer direction for 6.0. It adds a very public impetus for them to reconsider, like how it took years for the male bunny suits to come out. Now it is much more openly discussed.

Unfortunately I'm old now and can't wait years for anything and will simply switch, but it's good that this has happened. I remember there was a previous expansion with 3 very brief healer questions in the media tour out of 97 total. It will be better for game design in general for this to keep getting pushed, no matter how many times they say the same thing. Other developers will be watching and seeing how the players feel about it.