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  1. #11
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    Alphyn Vyrs
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    Faerie
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Minako_Yuki View Post
    Now I see where you’re coming from but considering it’s being implemented in END, maybe the devs have added enemies where using this skill helps against them.
    Plus at the same time, END has two months before dropping, so knowing the FFXIV dev team, they’ll probably see the feedback and update the job or fix the skill or do something about it.
    We had this exact same song and dance occur in the run up to ShB "Well maybe they pared back the DPS stuff cuz we have to heal more" only for top end raiders to meme about "What's a GCD heal?*"
    That isn't to say you're off base, its just if history is any guide, it won't imply what we think it might, and yes as mentioned above the framing of that skill demonstration looked whack cuz it was an AoE that you could easily slide cast out of after using a Broil. I hope you're right cuz it would mean that encounter design isn't as "off limits" as it has been in the past wrt healers but yea, I feel like they would have mentioned it OR any of the pet potency changes OR Pet AI improvements rather than "We couldn't think of anything." But with any luck those changes are there and they just felt that was a convo that wasn't hype enough to have in the job actions trailer PLL. But that's generously ignoring the symposiums they proceeded to hold on teleports and damage formulas so....yea outlook isn't looking great IMO but I'm not hoping I'm correct either.

    *That isn't a Afflatus manuever cuz those are technically a GCD heal but many don't consider it one cuz it's a free heal that lets you ignore Cure 1 and 2
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    Last edited by Alpheus; 09-23-2021 at 06:50 AM.

  2. #12
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    Kara Dusksinger
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 100
    They didn't showcase anything else for sch is the issue, the major problem with sch its kit is soooooo boring. Fairy is fairly unremarkable, its got the most dull dps skills, and it doesnt have any interesting mechanics to it. Whm has lillies, ast has cards, sage is going to be able to dps while healing....
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  3. #13
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Big Boi sch can run out of regular AoE with his special sprint now so gud.

    Real talk though it's not bad it was just a horrible showcase. And the fact they were made to dodge an aoe that would've just been dodged normally made it so much worse.
    Being able to have two sprints up during Ultimate will be very useful.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  4. #14
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Minako_Yuki View Post
    END still has 2 months before release so there is still hope.
    I'm sorry, but 2 months is not enough time.
    QA is a very long process, especially when you have 10 years of content you need to make sure its compatible with along with the new expac.

    2 months won't be enough time to do more than finish any last minute tweaking. It is far too late for our Live Letter reactions to cause them to add any abilities or change course on jobs they've already been testing and balancing for probably about 4-6 months.

    The soonest we can hope for change is probably 6.2-6.3.

    I wouldn't bet on it, but sure, maybe for whatever reason they have some fun stuff they decided not to show off in the job action trailer, that is technically possible..
    But it's dangerous to expect that SCH could be made different at the 11th hour.
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    Last edited by ItMe; 09-23-2021 at 07:42 AM.

  5. #15
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    The skill isn't terrible, just entirely unnecessary. They can't make the ability too impactful so it doesn't become mandatory and if it isn't impactful then it simply pales in comparison to all the interesting abilities that other jobs got.
    If I'm not mistaken the ability is not just a speed boost but also party mitigation, they could've just made it mitigation and it would've made no difference, that's how unimportant the speed part is.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 09-23-2021 at 08:33 AM.

  6. #16
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Why does everyone keep saying the movement buff is unimportant?
    It is going to be absolutely perfect to throw out unexpectedly just before a forced march mechanic~

    /s
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  7. #17
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    Alexalea Snowsong
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    The skill isn't terrible, just entirely unnecessary. They can't make the ability too impactful so it doesn't become mandatory and if it isn't impactful then it simply pales in comparison to all the interesting abilities that other jobs got.
    If I'm not mistaken the ability is not just a speed boost but also party mitigation, they could've just made it mitigation and it would've made no difference, that's how unimportant the speed part is.
    Yeah, this is largely my take as well. In concept it's not necessarily a bad skill, but because only SCH have it there's no way that it can be balanced around or have mechanics incorporated to really take advantage of it.

    Could it potentially be used to make certain mechanics easier? I suppose, sure. But that adds an entirely new wrinkle for when players used to that end up in parties that don't have a SCH (or have a SCH that doesn't use the sprint the same way). If you learn a fight with a party that has a smart SCH who uses the skill perfectly, you're basically going to have to completely relearn how to deal with the same mechanics as soon as you leave that group. It's actually just going to cause friction as opposed to really helping even if it does technically work well in some rare cases.
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  8. #18
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    Equinox Axxion
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Why does everyone keep saying the movement buff is unimportant?
    It is going to be absolutely perfect to throw out unexpectedly just before a forced march mechanic~

    /s
    its there gap closer
    (1)
    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

  9. #19
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    Akio Foxx
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    The skill itself will be good for very niche situations. But as was said several times.

    The issue isn’t so much the skill itself (not saying the skill isn’t underwhelming but it’s not completely useless… just mostly… unless tool tip reveals something else) it’s the showcase was easily the worst in the trailer.

    However this is not a new occurrence. Every time a new expac comes out and a new job is released a job in that role dies for at least part of that expansion.

    Whm died so AST could live in HW..
    PLD died so DRK could live in HW..
    Strangely MNK died so MCH could live in HW and double phy range meta could reign

    MNK died again for SAM
    Smn kinda died for RDM (blue mage would also be a viable candidate for the smn spot but it never was a full job so it never really lived either)

    DRK OR WAR died for GNB in shb (maybe PLD im not really sure i didnt pay as close of attention.)
    BRD died for DNC

    Sch looks to be biting the bullet for Sage.
    Something will bite the bullet for Reaper.

    It always happens. Every expansion. Usually a precursor to a rework of some kind. It sucks yes, and i would expect a 5.1 significant adjustment for scholar or a 5.3/5.4 rework..
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  10. #20
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkpaw View Post
    The skill itself will be good for very niche situations. But as was said several times.

    The issue isn’t so much the skill itself (not saying the skill isn’t underwhelming but it’s not completely useless… just mostly… unless tool tip reveals something else) it’s the showcase was easily the worst in the trailer.

    However this is not a new occurrence. Every time a new expac comes out and a new job is released a job in that role dies for at least part of that expansion.

    Whm died so AST could live in HW..
    PLD died so DRK could live in HW..
    Strangely MNK died so MCH could live in HW and double phy range meta could reign

    MNK died again for SAM
    Smn kinda died for RDM (blue mage would also be a viable candidate for the smn spot but it never was a full job so it never really lived either)

    DRK OR WAR died for GNB in shb (maybe PLD im not really sure i didnt pay as close of attention.)
    BRD died for DNC

    Sch looks to be biting the bullet for Sage.
    Something will bite the bullet for Reaper.

    It always happens. Every expansion. Usually a precursor to a rework of some kind. It sucks yes, and i would expect a 5.1 significant adjustment for scholar or a 5.3/5.4 rework..
    My money is on SAM biting the bullet for RPR.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone 2
    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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