The cat's (or femhroth in this case) outta the bag

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The concept art looks nice!

----I don't get the complaints that "she doesn't look beastial". Neither did male Hrothgar.

---- When I think of a beast race, I think of Charr, or Tauren, or Worgen. They're hunched over, have monstrous faces, have very different anatomy than that of a human, etc. They feel like actual beastmen. Male Hrothgar aren't beastmen. They're just bulky humans with long hair, a slightly stlyized face, a slight hunch, and human anatomy. Female Hrothgar having some slight fur and a slightly stylized face would fit right in. If FFXIV was serious about giving us a true beast race, male Hrothgar would have looked something like the above or Amal'jaa or Vanu Vanu, and female Hrothgar could look beastial, like this.

---I think your missing the point or your taking it to literally. Beastal doesn't mean savage or monstrous which all those awesome arts you showed off portray.
The simplest way to describe it, is her face doesn't look like an animal. It looks Human.

---Hrothgar are Beastmen.
Beastmen are Anthropomorphic Animals with Human anatomy. Its the mixture of Beast/Animal with Man/Human.
Having a hunch doesn't get rid of the fact that have humanoid Bodies.
All 3 artworks you've shown have these attributes.

If this is going to be the last time the devs make a new race, they're going to try to squeeze as much money out of it as they can. The devs know their audience. Most people who play FFXIV like anime aesthetics. Ie, beautiful women. As much as people on twitter says otherwise, they're a vocal minority. The unpopularity of female Roes compared to the popularity of traditionally beautiful female races speaks for itself. Female Hrothgar looking like a human with cat ears is a "well, duh" to me.

They will get PLENTY of money if they just make a good looking beast race with some real effort put into it, and maybe even make updates for the males and females that fix a handful of issues that people claim are keep them from playing: lack of hairstyles, the hair being bound to face options, & no options/lack of options for wearable headgear.
Giving them human faces will kill them, because we already have this option.....Miqote. Matter of fact....every playable race outside of Hrothgar is Humanoid, and have pretty human faces.
Whats the point of a Beast Race having human faces? YoshiP has said they created the Hrothgar to give a more diverse option. Its pretty backwards and renders that Philosophy null & void and turns it into a Complete Lie if the Hrothgar Females are just gonna be Human looking.

[Nestama]

I don't get the complaints that "she doesn't look beastial". Neither did male Hrothgar. When I think of a beast race, I think of Charr, or Tauren, or Worgen. They're hunched over, have monstrous faces, have very different anatomy than that of a human, etc. They feel like actual beastmen.

Have you not seen what a Hrothgar's face looks like recently? Can't exactly say that a Hrothgar's face looks similar to a Miqo'te's (or any of the other human faces in this game) face.
Anyway, that's where the complaints about "not bestial enough" are coming from. The face in the concept art is too human compared to the male Hrothgar.

[reivaxe]

....none of these have "unique bodies" (save merlwyb maybe)
gunnhildrs GEAR replaces her body with one like viera, similar to how the 2b boots and tights alter the shape of your legs.
and skintone is just a hex number, you used to be able to inject custom ones into the client waaaay back when.


tldr; when ppl say hrothgal will use femroe body, they mean that in the same way male hrothgar use the male roe body, borrowing proportions, not that they will literally be moenbryda from the neck down

Your gear IS your body because your character doesn't have a "body", they are just a collection of models attached to each other. (And yes, the Queen's body shape is unique. The shape, the texture work, the default posture isn't like any other female but closely resembles Au Ra and Viera in a lot of respects)

You're basically saying the same thing, that she doesn't look like a reg Femroe as we can clearly see. Anyway, the question would be "Why bother giving her a unique body shape?". This art would suggest strongly that this character was intended to be a female Hrothgar, which would explain why she would have such a body. If you reject that notion then, again, you're faced with "They went through the effort of making this FemRoe NPC look more conventionally attractive with a unique body shape" which gives you insight into how they view Femroe. Much like how NPCs like aymeric give you insight in how they feel about Elezen.

[Nestama]

I mean, it's unique compared to playable races, however, is it unique compared to other female bosses in the game? We've already seen an example of an Au Ra with Sophia's skeleton or whatever you call it. How do we know they didn't use one of the existing boss models for The Queen (and there's A LOT and SE often reuse the same skeletons)?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

the question would be "Why bother giving her a unique body shape?". This art would suggest strongly that this character was intended to be a female Hrothgar, which would explain why she would have such a body. If you reject that notion then, again, you're faced with "They went through the effort of making this FemRoe NPC look more conventionally attractive with a unique body shape" which gives you insight into how they view Femroe. Much like how NPCs like aymeric give you insight in how they feel about Elezen.

Thats Kind of Silly... Aymeric is a Unique Model because he is a Unique and important Character. Plus...what exactly are they saying by making him the way that they did and how does that reflect on all Elezen? Applying that to the Queen FemRoe as well.
That art we saw can easily be a Miqote and just like the Roe Queen in the game; could just be a Filler/placeholder.The ears could be pushed up because she is leaning back into that chair..thing or because of the headress. I meant to say that if I ever got back to replying to that last message. Because remember....they didnt have time and the Resources to actually make Female Hrothgar.

So the stance is still very firm, until factually disproved with an Official in-game 3-D model. Or even new art the could show off in the next Live Letter or 2....we will dont know what they actually look like

[reivaxe]

I mean, it's unique compared to playable races, however, is it unique compared to other female bosses in the game? We've already seen an example of an Au Ra with Sophia's skeleton or whatever you call it. How do we know they didn't use one of the existing boss models for The Queen (and there's A LOT and SE often reuse the same skeletons)?

Because this is just a character, it's not some elaborate boss. When people data-mined this model it was catalogized as a Femroe model so that Femroe could wear it, it uses Femroe's scaling system and by all means is just a body/ outfit that's set up so that only Femroe can wear it.

There's really nothing special to it, other than the fact that it doesn't look like a Femroe's body shape.

Thats Kind of Silly... Aymeric is a Unique Model because he is a Unique and important Character. Plus...what exactly are they saying by making him the way that they did and how does that reflect on all Elezen? Applying that to the Queen FemRoe as well.
That art we saw can easily be a Miqote and just like the Roe Queen in the game; could just be a Filler/placeholder.The ears could be pushed up because she is leaning back into that chair..thing or because of the headress. I meant to say that if I ever got back to replying to that last message. Because remember....they didnt have time and the Resources to actually make Female Hrothgar.

So the stance is still very firm, until factually disproved with an Official in-game 3-D model. Or even new art the could show off in the next Live Letter or 2....we will dont know what they actually look like

(First off, this is not a miqote. Would be great if we could stop grasping at the disconfirmation bais arguments ... we all know how miqote look and what their ears look like and where they're placed on their skulls. Looks exactly like the mural, trying to convince yourself that it's not what it clearly is aint helping discussion)

It's not silly at all.
The devs aren't blind, and they are aware of why Elezen look the way they do. So when they want to make attractive Elezen bod NPCs they give them better scaled heads to fix the glaring problem. Aymeric isn't just a unique face, he and other unique Elezen NPCs have better proportioned heads for their bodies as a means to make them look better and more appealing. They didn't repeat the things that made Elezen less popular than they could be when they made Viera females and Au Ra males.

So, applying that to this ... if someone wants to ignore the glaring proof from this art that this in game character was intended to be a Hrothgal before something in this hellish year made them change that, then you have to think that this is what they think a prettier, better looking Femroe would be. It's not a secret that Femroe don't get love from the story (I think they legit have the fewest prominent NPCs in the game of any race-gender option. Hell, I think there's more dead Hrothgals than there are important Femroes), and it would be incredibly naive to think that the devs haven't taken notice of their feeeeew few numbers.

So if this is what they make the first noteworthy Femroe in years look like, then that's a clear sign that they prob aint interested in making a Femroe 2.0 as a race.

It's so puzzling, I've never seen a good reason to think they would look past all the popular females and try to make em look like Femroe, yet people simply assume that. Makes prefect sense to me that they would take the most popular non-1.0 reg sized female bod (Au Ra) and combine it with the most popular and new taller female (Viera) to make something new.

EDIT- But if you want to convince yourself that this aint what it is, then knock yourself out. I can already smell the disconfirmation bais poppin off, just like when we saw the mural that many of you all refused to accept and Queen body that clearly seemed related to Hrothgar. So I'll prob peace out and come back when something new happens for that ol "I told ya so".

[Fenrir95]

Out of curioisty, could you link the source to this because I can't find anything on this new Lorebook, or official FF14 female Hrothgar concept art. That said Gunnhildr is a Roe, so that art can't be of them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Because this is just a character, it's not some elaborate boss. When people data-mined this model it was catalogized as a Femroe model so that Femroe could wear it, it uses Femroe's scaling system and by all means is just a body/ outfit that's set up so that only Femroe can wear it.

There's really nothing special to it, other than the fact that it doesn't look like a Femroe's body shape.


(First off, this is not a miqote. Would be great if we could stop grasping at the disconfirmation bais arguments ... we all know how miqote look and what their ears look like and where they're placed on their skulls. Looks exactly like the mural, trying to convince yourself that it's not what it clearly is aint helping discussion)

It's not silly at all.
The devs aren't blind, and they are aware of why Elezen look the way they do. So when they want to make attractive Elezen bod NPCs they give them better scaled heads to fix the glaring problem. Aymeric isn't just a unique face, he and other unique Elezen NPCs have better proportioned heads for their bodies as a means to make them look better and more appealing. They didn't repeat the things that made Elezen less popular than they could be when they made Viera females and Au Ra males.

So, applying that to this ... if someone wants to ignore the glaring proof from this art that this in game character was intended to be a Hrothgal before something in this hellish year made them change that, then you have to think that this is what they think a prettier, better looking Femroe would be. It's not a secret that Femroe don't get love from the story (I think they legit have the fewest prominent NPCs in the game of any race-gender option. Hell, I think there's more dead Hrothgals than there are important Femroes), and it would be incredibly naive to think that the devs haven't taken notice of their feeeeew few numbers.

So if this is what they make the first noteworthy Femroe in years look like, then that's a clear sign that they prob aint interested in making a Femroe 2.0 as a race.

It's so puzzling, I've never seen a good reason to think they would look past all the popular females and try to make em look like Femroe, yet people simply assume that. Makes prefect sense to me that they would take the most popular non-1.0 reg sized female bod (Au Ra) and combine it with the most popular and new taller female (Viera) to make something new.

Until we get a REAL confirmation in the Form of a Real Official In Game Model, All of Us, including You, are doing nothing more then grasping at straws and talking pure speculation.
I dont need to convince myself of that, its pure fact. Your the only one that needs to convince themselves and others that the Mural, and now this new art shown in a screenshot someone took of the artbook(?) is a Hint or a glimpse of what a Female Hrothgar looks like. For all we know, both illustrations are just placeholders...because remember yet again..they didnt have time to actually make them at the time. Plus, as pointed out, The Queen is a title...in the Bozja storyline it was given to a Roe...in that illustration it could be given to a Miqote. This isn't that farfetched.

I will continue to argue against it until we get a Real Finalized Model; and I will bring up that this is a beast race, and them looking like humans would just be more of the same thing we already have; which goes against the Intention of creating the Hrothgar in the First place....and humanizing them would just be making Miqote 2.0
This isnt a solution to sell more Potions or get more engagement out of the races "missing gender" Its a surefire way to kill it by not even sticking to the intention of giving a New Diverse Option.

So I'll prob peace out and come back when something new happens for that ol "I told ya so".

IF, and When this happens, Im not even going to be mad at you. I wont be mad at YoshiP, the Devs, or Square. Ill just be disappointed by the design, I might cry and complain for abit...and Ill move on. Ill either embrace the deign, or ill stay a FemRoe, OR I might just turn into a Male Hrothgar and figure out my new Glamours.
IF, and when Im right and what we see ISNT what you predicted and were probly just placeholders, I might get a little cocky and throw it in your face once or twice as I rejoice and immediately buy my Fantasia.

But until we have 100% confirmation...none of us are correct.

[Awha]

I just want a gender unlocked version of the outfit.

[Nestama]

Because this is just a character, it's not some elaborate boss. When people data-mined this model it was catalogized as a Femroe model so that Femroe could wear it, it uses Femroe's scaling system and by all means is just a body/ outfit that's set up so that only Femroe can wear it.

There's really nothing special to it, other than the fact that it doesn't look like a Femroe's body shape.

(First off, this is not a miqote. Would be great if we could stop grasping at the disconfirmation bais arguments ... we all know how miqote look and what their ears look like and where they're placed on their skulls. Looks exactly like the mural, trying to convince yourself that it's not what it clearly is aint helping discussion)

Fair enough. Is this the only boss outfit to appear in the data-mine (I'm curious if Edda's outfit appeared as well, before it became available on Mogstation)?

You can argue it's not a Miqo'te all you want, but if the face is going to end up mostly/completely looking human, then it's Miqo'te 2.0 to me regardless of how the body looks. I would like to think SE didn't end up going with that look for them as they have rejected a male Hrothgar face for looking like a Miqo'tes in the past.