The trouble with telling tanks W2W pulls are a mandatory norm.

[Rinhi]

I mean, to do this you have to run the dungeon unsynched. So, exactly how high over the ilvl limit was everyone in that video?

you'd know if you looked at the upload date of the video, tbh
it was the latest dungeon at that point and 510 was the max, I think, so no 530 shenanigans

[TheMightyMollusk]

Roulette doesn't ilvl sync you for lvl80 dungeons, so this point is moot.

Only the two current Expert dungeons (Matoya's Relict and Paglth'an) are without sync in roulette. Amaurot syncs to 440; Twinning, Academia Annyder, and Grand Cosmos to 470; and Anemnesis Anyder and Heroes' Gauntlet to 500.

[Somnolence]

It all comes down to the simple fact that healers and tanks have cooldowns which are wasted resources if they don't get used, and depending on the level the same applies to DPS. So if it is possible to speed up the dungeon by putting these resources to use then it is always correct choice.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

There no problem asking them. The problem is the dps normally expect this rushing and pulling for you. This games big problem is People's fear of communication. Just take 30 sec to talk. Exept if for what ever reason the tank can't. I main tank and I do w2w pulls by default but the moment the DPS rush and start pull for me I do small pulls. Moral of the day is communication is good.

[Rinhi]

I main tank and I do w2w pulls by default but the moment the DPS rush and start pull for me I do small pulls

[Kozh]

You can't honestly be that lazy. First result on youtube. "If I can't do it no one can!"

I've looked it up on YouTube. No video about that, only "how to heal in dungeon", "guide to healing X dungeon", "X dungeon healer pov".

Regarding the video example provided by someone else, it was done with warrior and they're a static, not pf. I don't think it's possible with drk or gnb, unless you want to wait after each pull to come off CD.

[Yeol]

I've looked it up on YouTube. No video about that, only "how to heal in dungeon", "guide to healing X dungeon", "X dungeon healer pov".

Regarding the video example provided by someone else, it was done with warrior and they're a static, not pf. I don't think it's possible with drk or gnb, unless you want to wait after each pull to come off CD.

The reply was to show that clearing an expert dungeon without a healer is possible. Even if you need to wait between pulls for CDs.

It is to set and example that wall to wall pulls are not as hard as people make them seem. If some players can do it without a healer, it should be much easier to do with a healer.

As for the video, you need to type “FFXIV dungeon speed run”. Some runs have healers, others don’t.

[Kes13a]

The reply was to show that clearing an expert dungeon without a healer is possible. Even if you need to wait between pulls for CDs.

It is to set and example that wall to wall pulls are not as hard as people make them seem. If some players can do it without a healer, it should be much easier to do with a healer.

As for the video, you need to type “FFXIV dungeon speed run”. Some runs have healers, others don’t.

so, what you are saying is none of my mains are wanted or required any more.

thanks I guess.

[Herebedragons]

The reply was to show that clearing an expert dungeon without a healer is possible. Even if you need to wait between pulls for CDs.

It is to set and example that wall to wall pulls are not as hard as people make them seem. If some players can do it without a healer, it should be much easier to do with a healer.

As for the video, you need to type “FFXIV dungeon speed run”. Some runs have healers, others don’t.

That's like saying "if a genius can do it, then everyone can". By that I mean, you are glossing over the fact that actual preparation goes into those runs. Which tank to go with, which healer to go with if we need one, do we use food/potions, and so on and so forth.

[Artemiz]

The reply was to show that clearing an expert dungeon without a healer is possible. Even if you need to wait between pulls for CDs.

It is to set and example that wall to wall pulls are not as hard as people make them seem. If some players can do it without a healer, it should be much easier to do with a healer.

As for the video, you need to type “FFXIV dungeon speed run”. Some runs have healers, others don’t.

I tried to point out in my OP that W2W pulls in expert roulette are not difficult or impressive. That's because I knew this thread would get derailed by arguments like this, they always do. I specifically mentioned a ARR dungeon for a reason, because the problem is (especially on these forums where everyone thinks they are a superstar) that new tanks are given the impression they have to W2W pull or just give up on tanking. I'm just offering up the perspective, as a long time player, and tank, that that is a steaming pile of bollocks.

The sign of a good tank is someone who can accurately judge what his party can do, and provides it for them. My example of pulling the first room of Aurum Vale as a "tester pull" with 3 sprouts is pretty much the exact opposite of accurately judging a party. This happens because newer players think that's what is expected of them, it isn't. Leveling dungeons are significantly harder than 50/60/70/80 dungeons. Treat them that way, and give tanks the room to learn about cooldown management, self sustain etc... instead of getting impatient with them, or obnoxious as I've seem so many times. There is a huge difference between what you can expect from a tank in expert roulette, and what you can expect from one who hasn't even decided where to keybind all his buttons yet.

So just to clarify, yes W2W pulls are expected in Expert roulette, this is not new, it's not hard, and it's not impressive. It's also not Aurum vale with 3 sprouts, or Stone Vigil, or any of the other dungeon that takes a step up in difficulty during the leveling journey.