The trouble with telling tanks W2W pulls are a mandatory norm.

[TheRealQuah]

You can't really wall to wall levelling dungeons. But 50/60/70/80 and all levelling dungeons from Shadowbringers have stop gates. You can 100% pull to the gate in every one of those dungeons and if you aren't then you are wasting people's time.

In fact, it's so easy to wall to wall in every level 80 dungeons, you don't even need a healer in the party at all. All the expert dungeons can be easily done with 1 tank, 3 DPS without any issues at all.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

You can't really wall to wall levelling dungeons. But 50/60/70/80 and all levelling dungeons from Shadowbringers have stop gates. You can 100% pull to the gate in every one of those dungeons and if you aren't then you are wasting people's time.

In fact, it's so easy to wall to wall in every level 80 dungeons, you don't even need a healer in the party at all. All the expert dungeons can be easily done with 1 tank, 3 DPS without any issues at all.

Okay I'll ask it: proof?

[Packetdancer]

Okay I'll ask it: proof?

They're not actually wrong that it's possible to run level 80 dungeons without a healer. I can attest to this because I've done those runs with folks from my FC for fun. It doesn't always succeed, but it does often enough that it's enjoyable to try.

However, doing so does require a tank who knows their mitigations pretty well and uses them effectively, and three DPS who are going to rain down death upon those pulls to burn them quickly. I would not say it's an easy thing to do with complete strangers, nor the sort of performance that's reasonable to expect from roulette parties.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

They're not actually wrong that it's possible to run level 80 dungeons without a healer. I can attest to this because I've done those runs with folks from my FC for fun. It doesn't always succeed, but it does often enough that it's enjoyable to try.

However, doing so does require a tank who knows their mitigations pretty well and uses them effectively, and three DPS who are going to rain down death upon those pulls to burn them quickly. I would not say it's an easy thing to do with complete strangers, nor the sort of performance that's reasonable to expect from roulette parties.

Yeah I watched some people actually vaporize Heroes in twelve minutes, could have been ten or eleven if DNC hadn't died. My issue is all these people going "hEaLeRs R uSlEs" seem to be under the impression that most if not all players should be doing this. Which is just as likely as me finding Bigfoot using my shower, Captain Caveman cleaning my car, and people on Twitter saying the crap they say on there in real life.

[TheRealQuah]

They're not actually wrong that it's possible to run level 80 dungeons without a healer. I can attest to this because I've done those runs with folks from my FC for fun. It doesn't always succeed, but it does often enough that it's enjoyable to try.

However, doing so does require a tank who knows their mitigations pretty well and uses them effectively, and three DPS who are going to rain down death upon those pulls to burn them quickly. I would not say it's an easy thing to do with complete strangers, nor the sort of performance that's reasonable to expect from roulette parties.

Using mitigation and doing your rotation properly should be the bare minimum for anyone playing this game. Anyone not doing that should be kicked.

Yeah I watched some people actually vaporize Heroes in twelve minutes, could have been ten or eleven if DNC hadn't died. My issue is all these people going "hEaLeRs R uSlEs" seem to be under the impression that most if not all players should be doing this. Which is just as likely as me finding Bigfoot using my shower, Captain Caveman cleaning my car, and people on Twitter saying the crap they say on there in real life.

Hey, at no point did I say Healer's are useless, that's not even the point of the thread or my post. If you wanna make stuff up to fit your narrative and move the goalposts go ahead.

[Dreamsoap]

Okay I'll ask it: proof?

My friends and I run a WAR with 3 dps in expert. Keyword is friends, though. People need to know how to play their jobs.

[TheRealQuah]

Okay I'll ask it: proof?

People do 8 tank ultimates and solo healer TEA, but you don't think 4 dps expert dungeon is possible. Go look up some videos or logs.

[Baxcel]

You can't really wall to wall levelling dungeons. But 50/60/70/80 and all levelling dungeons from Shadowbringers have stop gates. You can 100% pull to the gate in every one of those dungeons and if you aren't then you are wasting people's time.

In fact, it's so easy to wall to wall in every level 80 dungeons, you don't even need a healer in the party at all. All the expert dungeons can be easily done with 1 tank, 3 DPS without any issues at all.

Since people keep skipping over it.. please provide proof that you can wall 2 wall pull lv80 dungeons without a healer..

[Dreamsoap]

Since people keep skipping over it.. please provide proof that you can wall 2 wall pull lv80 dungeons without a healer..

You can't honestly be that lazy. First result on youtube. "If I can't do it no one can!"