When will fans turn on Yoshi P?

[Ryaz]

About the same time you get permabanned from the forums for constantly trolling. So probably never.

[LisSquid]

Hearing, listening, and acting are all different adjectives that mean different things. As is what Yoshi hears, listens to, and acts upon. To say Yoshi is oblivious to NA/EU feedback is about as erroneous as saying Japanese culture hasn't influenced anything in English speaking nations.

That said, the man is not infallible, but he also isn't a genie.

The man is genuinely surprised when he shows up to NA/EU and hears our feedback. Something in the pipeline don't always work.

[Rhus]

He also plays the game which is a big interaction thing and a good way to experience problems. He probably knows about issue x because he’s experienced it himself.
He probably knows belts are useless because he can see the benefit (or lack of) first hand when gearing his jobs (forgetting about dev stats and Such)
That helps to keep in touch.

[Penthea]

It’s possible that they won’t get an expansion right. If that happens, the fans will turn on the face of Final Fantasy IV, Yoshi. It happened with WoW, will it happen with FFXIV? There will be more years of the game, yes, but will he still be in touch with what the players want?

I know you're a troll but I'll say something anyway.

While it is possible that SE could seriously mess up an expansion, we have to remember that they're not Blizzard. Just because it happened to them it does not mean it's guaranteed to happen to any company with a mmo.

I played WoW for over ten years and I can tell you SE's design philosophy is very different to Blizzard's. Not just for mmos, but for games in general. There is some overlap in their audiences but the fact remains they don't target the exact same people. There are some things in Blizzard games you'll never see in SE games and vice versa. They're different companies with different products.

A lot of why WoW changed in some not-so-great ways has a lot to do with how the ownership of Blizzard changed over the years which meant who had the last word also changed. WoW could have very easily gone down a different road if Blizzard remained as they were since WoW launch or partnered with a different company. Maybe things would be better, maybe things would be worse. At best we can speculate but the fact remains that this change in Blizzard's management did lead to changes in WoW's design philosophy. Not every company who publish or create games go through such changes, and even if they do the results aren't always the same.

Additionally SE nearly got destroyed because of FFXIV 1.0. It was a harsh lesson for them. The game was so badly received that the entire company went into the red. While Blizzard have had some controversial things happen with their games, they had nothing on that scale happen to them. SE know too well how quickly the scales can tip out of their favour if they don't maintain a certain standard in at least their flagship ip. I don't think they're going to make that mistake twice. Not anytime soon at least.

[van_arn]

Who knows. Will they?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It’s possible that they won’t get an expansion right. If that happens, the fans will turn on the face of Final Fantasy IV, Yoshi. It happened with WoW, will it happen with FFXIV? There will be more years of the game, yes, but will he still be in touch with what the players want?

When will fans turn on Yoshi P?
Are you advocating that the Playerbase turns on Yoshia?
The man who saved this Dead-on-arrival game and has given us all manyManyMANY great years of FF: XIV? This man has tried his best to deliver what we ask for, but be realistic, he can't do EVERYTHING.
Housing, extra housing plots, Bluemage, Viera, Hrothgar, Ultimites....all of that was player Feedback, and it made it into the game at some point. Don't you or anybody here on the forums act like YoshiP doesn't try, and doesn't listen to NA's feedback.

I said Troll harder, but this isn't even trolling. Be better then this.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

It’s possible that they won’t get an expansion right. If that happens, the fans will turn on the face of Final Fantasy IV, Yoshi. It happened with WoW, will it happen with FFXIV? There will be more years of the game, yes, but will he still be in touch with what the players want?

When FFXIV devs start constantly harassing and insulting fans on twitter. When FFXIV spends a decade straight ignoring fans and instead pursuing systems nobody likes in order to sell you the solution. When FFXIV removes all the story elements and replaces it with characters that flip personalities from patch to patch before dying or being redeemed in extremely unsatisfactory ways. When FFXIV has standard gameplay loops that most of the playerbase despises which causes steady subscriber decay for a decade straight instead of their current trend of increasing subs from xpac to xpac, a trend that goes against all other mmos. When FFXIV creates and a new vital but broken gameplay system every single xpac, refuses to test it, finally makes it fun by the final patch then promptly removes it every single time. When FFXIV puts all of their focus on making good content for 5% of the playerbase that they believe will buy the most tokens to purchase gil for carries/gear/pvp ranks- and doesn't care that everything else is a repeatable boring chore nobody enjoys. When they let their players constantly drop slurs, stalk, harass, and spam hatred while they pit fans against fans in an attempt to deflect attention off their latest actions.

And then, after ruining the game through intentionally pursuing gameplay design meant to bore players so much they pay to get around them for years- SE will have to be discovered to have widespread harassment of their employees and customers that involves grotesque treatment on twitter, at conventions, at their offices- behaviour that pervades at every level of the company and is part of the culture.

That's what they'd have to do to get the same treatment Blizz is getting now. Blizz didn't have fans turn on them because they didn't get an xpac right- they spent the last decade doing everything they could to turn fans on them.

[Shieldbaby]

As someone who plays both WoW and FFXIV, one thing that drew me to WoW early on was how interactive the creators were with the players. That fell off over the years over there, but people like Chris Metzen were incredibly humble and he loved what he was doing.

I get that same vibe from Yoshi P. The man is humble, he seems like a person who appreciates me as a player. Not me specifically, but you know what I mean. I feel welcomed here. I'm sure there'll be things I disagree with, there already are, but at the end of the day, communication matters.

One big thing WoW gets wrong is that they don't talk to anyone. Or when the devs do reach out it feels spiteful or condescending, like you're talking to the bitter man at a comic book store. It's one big thing turning me away from the game itself. I've had expansions I liked and expansions I didn't. But this relation with the developers (or lack thereof) hits harder than anything.

Unless Yoshi P. wakes up one day and decides to be bitter and/or condescending toward its players (especially those who beta test their game), I doubt we'll see the same thing happen here without a big changing of hands or the company itself being bought by some rich playboy who decides to tank it to line his own pockets.

[Wavaryen]

Nice necro thread, but feel like answering it anyway.


Most people? Never, but as soon as the story takes a turn that people don't like. They attack developers, players, anyone that "harms" the fantasy they live in. The very very loud and twisted part of the community will come out and start being stupid. And that will make it seem like it is the community when it is only a handful of little brats.

[Theodric]

Why would people be 'twisted' if they offer critique of the story when that is often touted as the game's main selling point?