Need help / advice for this tank roulette situation

[Goji1639]

it's not unrelated at all no matter how often you'll say it; it shows what kind of person you are and that you yourself show other players absolutely zero consideration while moral grandstanding about those mean DPS "showing no consideration" by pulling another mob

and you were proven wrong by multiple people and just conveniently ignored those posts because you're never wrong and totally not selfish, gotcha!

and there's the rent free comment because people dare to bring up your post history in a related, get a grip you ninny lmao

I addressed every response provided in that thread, and wasn't proven wrong in any capacity. You're only saying I was proven wrong because you know you won't have to quantify that in any way here; what you're bringing up right now is completely devoid of the necessary context. It's just a cheap deflection because you can't actually stand your ground on the topic at hand, so you're going wildly off topic because you still want to argue with me.

Farming for DR is a completely different thing to ask that actually forces someone to waste time outside of the dungeon. It's not the same as what's being discussed here.

[Awha]

Your decision seems to just be plain aggressive.

I have no strong feelings one way or another when it comes to dungeon roulettes. I'm pretty sure nobody else does either, but everybody appreciates a faster run and most people want wall to wall pulls.

Point remains that it is funny since at the core your current stance mimics the stance that you were against for use and farming of essences.

The inconsiderate and a nuance. I get your stance though.

On the topic at hand. Let us be real wall-to-wall should be the baseline cause tanks are not even needed for single pulls. Hell one could even argue healers are not needed for single pulls. Single pulls make certain rules sort of useless. The standard should be whatever requires every role to perform their function. If someone does not wish to make proper use of their function then they should be the one to ask. In short if someone wants smaller pulls they should be the one to ask imo not the other way around.

I have always been of the mindset the person that wants to do less should be the one speaking up.

[Goji1639]

Point remains that it is funny since at the core your current stance mimics the stance that you were against for use and farming of essences.

The inconsiderate and a nuance. I get your stance though.

On the topic at hand. Let us be real wall-to-wall should be the baseline cause tanks are not even needed for single pulls. Hell one could even argue healers are not needed for single pulls. Single pulls make certain rules sort of useless. The standard should be whatever requires every role to perform their function. If someone does not wish to make proper use of their function then they should be the one to ask. In short if someone wants smaller pulls they should be the one to ask imo not the other way around.

I have always been of the mindset the person that wants to do less should be the one speaking up.

At 80 wall to wall should probably be baseline. At 60 and lower it would be absolutely idiotic to wall to wall by default; considering the limited kits, MUCH larger pulls and high frequency of sprout healers. End of the day I believe it's better to actually apply common sense to the situation and pull accordingly, instead of just blindly adhering to a baseline.

That's not really the issue, though. Whatever you think the default should be, if you see a tank small pulling you have 2 options; ask nicely for bigger pulls or try to force his hand without saying a word to him. Forcing his hand is obviously an inconsiderate thing to do, so don't try to play victim if he's inconsiderate in return.

[Awha]

At 80 wall to wall should probably be baseline. At 60 and lower it would be absolutely idiotic to wall to wall by default; considering the limited kits, MUCH larger pulls and high frequency of sprout healers. End of the day I believe it's better to actually apply common sense to the situation and pull accordingly, instead of just blindly adhering to a default.

That's not really the issue, though. Whatever you think the default should be, if you see a tank small pulling you have 2 options; ask nicely for bigger pulls or try to force his hand without saying a word to him. Forcing his hand is obviously an inconsiderate thing to do, so don't try to play victim if he's inconsiderate in return.

You forget option three and four. If I am a healer I will pull extra and I will tank the mobs if need be. Option four is just remove the tank.

I do not see anyone trying to play the victim I do see people defending players doing the the bare minimum though. I do agree maybe doing large pulls pre 50 could be rough but after that it should be standard jobs have enough of their tool kits to handle wall-to-wall.

[Goji1639]

You forget option three and four. If I am a healer I will pull extra and I will tank the mobs if need be. Option four is just remove the tank.

I do not see anyone trying to play the victim I do see people defending players doing the the bare minimum though. I do agree maybe doing large pulls pre 50 could be rough but after that it should be standard jobs have enough of their tool kits to handle wall-to-wall.

If you're a healer then do whatever; as long as you can heal through whatever mess you make. I've been talking about DPS pulling, and DPS aren't capable of handling any problems they cause. Also, I never said there was an issue with initiating a vote kick. If the kick doesn't pass, however, then deal with it; don't run ahead like a pissy child trying to force the tanks hand.

And, I see plenty of people here trying to play victim. The entire premise of this thread is "WAH! TANKS ARE MEAN!" because some of them have a "you pull it you tank it" attitude towards DPS pulling. DPS pulling is inconsiderate, so not sure where everyone gets off being offended that tanks might just let the DPS tank their pull.

[KizuyaKatogami]

If you're a healer then do whatever; as long as you can heal through whatever mess you make. I've been talking about DPS pulling, and DPS aren't capable of handling any problems they cause. Also, I never said there was an issue with initiating a vote kick. If the kick doesn't pass, however, then deal with it; don't run ahead like a pissy child trying to force the tanks hand.

And, I see plenty of people here trying to play victim. The entire premise of this thread is "WAH! TANKS ARE MEAN!" because some of them have a "you pull it you tank it" attitude towards DPS pulling. DPS pulling is inconsiderate, so not sure where everyone gets off being offended that tanks might just let the DPS tank their pull.

Because it’s literally a hypocritical stance. Tanks give themselves this mentality of “well if another party member is “inconsiderate” and pulls before i do, i’m gonna just not do my job and let them die.” That’s literally also being inconsiderate. I don’t think half of these players who have this mentality even understand that. They’re being huge hypocrites all because they have an inflated ego due to being a tank. Either act like a normal tank, pull wall to wall, or expect for dps/healers to pull ahead of you and then risk the report for you not doing your job correctly. In the end, if you the tank choose to not tank mobs, regardless of the circumstances, youre the one griefing and not doing your job.

[Goji1639]

Because it’s literally a hypocritical stance. Tanks give themselves this mentality of “well if another party member is “inconsiderate” and pulls before i do, i’m gonna just not do my job and let them die.” That’s literally also being inconsiderate. I don’t think half of these players who have this mentality even understand that. They’re being huge hypocrites all because they have an inflated ego due to being a tank. Either act like a normal tank, pull wall to wall, or expect for dps/healers to pull ahead of you and then risk the report for you not doing your job correctly. In the end, if you the tank choose to not tank mobs, regardless of the circumstances, youre the one griefing and not doing your job.

Never said letting the DPS die wasn't inconsiderate. The main difference is the DPS is the one who initiated things by being inconsiderate and not doing his job first, so the DPS should expect the tank to respond in kind. That's just how it works; if I'm rude to you first I don't get to be offended when you're rude to me back.

It would probably be best if the DPS politely addressed the tank if he wasn't happy with the pace, but if the DPS insists on being a jerk about it then things may get confrontational and the tank might be a jerk back. Not sure why you're all surprised that tanks respond poorly to you all being dismissive and inconsiderate towards them.

[Awha]

If you're a healer then do whatever; as long as you can heal through whatever mess you make. I've been talking about DPS pulling, and DPS aren't capable of handling any problems they cause. Also, I never said there was an issue with initiating a vote kick. If the kick doesn't pass, however, then deal with it; don't run ahead like a pissy child trying to force the tanks hand.

And, I see plenty of people here trying to play victim. The entire premise of this thread is "WAH! TANKS ARE MEAN!" because some of them have a "you pull it you tank it" attitude towards DPS pulling. DPS pulling is inconsiderate, so not sure where everyone gets off being offended that tanks might just let the DPS tank their pull.

Thing is I think it has less do wah tanks are mean and dps pulling extra and more to do with people throwing a hissy fit regarding what their role can do.

I mean defending players not healing or getting aggro off the mobs due to this you pull it you tank it.

[Goji1639]

Thing is I think it has less do wah tanks are mean and dps pulling extra and more to do with people throwing a hissy fit regarding what their role can do.

I mean defending players not healing or getting aggro off the mobs due to this you pull it you tank it.

Both sides are being rude. When analyzing a situation like this I generally look at who was rude first and who was simply responding.

"You pull it you tank it" is simply a response to a dismissive and inconsiderate action. I'll always fault the person who starts the fight; not the person who finishes it.

[Awha]

Both sides are being rude. When analyzing a situation like this I generally look at who was rude first and who was simply responding.

"You pull it you tank it" is simply a response to a dismissive and inconsiderate action. I'll always fault the person who starts the fight; not the person who finishes it.

Person that finishes a fight that could have been avoided if they had taken the high ground is just as much at fault as the person who started the fight in my opinion.