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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The global collapse was caused by Black Rose draining aether from the land. Ceruleum could no longer work, lands were unable to support plants or life. I don't think it would effect buildings at all, and considering how Ishgard is a very icy region and has food grown from far up high (possibly higher than Black Rose could reach) in the Sea of Clouds, it's possible they weren't as badly effected as the other regions. There sadly isn't enough info on that world for us to give any real info on how many cities were left, how people were surviving, etc.
    Ishgard is a gigantic stone and wood fortress built atop a mountain, though. Without living people to perform maintenance, the elements alone would be enough to severely erode it over the course of decades. But somehow it survived, and in good enough condition that Fortemps Manor was still standing, for two hundred years.

    That's a bloody miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    IDK man Zenos becoming a Scion by the end of the game has a non-zero chance of being a thing.

    It would be weird but weirder things happen.
    I could definitely see this happening.

    My choice would be no grand redemption, no repentance or anything, just, we don't actually end up fighting him to the death (maybe we get interrupted by Zodiark or the world ending or something, and he either leaves in boredom while we deal with that, or even helps because he's mad at it for interrupting his fun) and lose track of him.

    At some unspecified time later while the WoL is out, he just casually wanders into the Rising Stones without saying anything, and just casually sits down at the bar or one of the tables, somehow managing not to break the damn chair.

    Naturally no one wants to risk catching his attention or annoying him, so no one says anything about or to him, let alone try to kick him out, and he's not actually doing anything or bothering anyone, so eventually Tataru brings him some tea and snacks and everyone does their best to pretend they don't notice him while they wait for the WoL to pick up their frantic linkshell calls.

    The WoL is totally at a loss for what to do; Zenos is literally just sipping tea and not causing any trouble and trying to kick a fight with him would probably just end up leveling Revenant's Toll? They finally come in intending to uh, do something??? about it, IDK they always figure something out when it counts, right, they can just wing it, right? And a report about a strong new primal summoning comes in and they go 'huh' and invite Zenos to help them go deal with it.

    Zenos has enough fun that he decides he's okay with maybe doing this on a regular basis, on the condition that the WoL personally pay him in sparring matches.

    Everyone's still awkwardly and hilariously terrified of him except Tataru and Krille who somehow eventually manage to make him as terrified of them as everyone else is.
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  3. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    Ishgard is a gigantic stone and wood fortress built atop a mountain, though. Without living people to perform maintenance, the elements alone would be enough to severely erode it over the course of decades. But somehow it survived, and in good enough condition that Fortemps Manor was still standing, for two hundred years.

    That's a bloody miracle.
    Would there be any elements to erode it? Everything in XIV is based on aether, even the wind and rain come from aether, with black rose still lingering about it seems reasonable to assume that the winds and rains may have all but ceased.
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  4. #274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Would there be any elements to erode it? Everything in XIV is based on aether, even the wind and rain come from aether, with black rose still lingering about it seems reasonable to assume that the winds and rains may have all but ceased.
    If Black Rose's potency is so great that even the wind stopped, how could it spread across the globe with nothing to carry it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    If Black Rose's potency is so great that even the wind stopped, how could it spread across the globe with nothing to carry it?
    Because it bleeds/stagnates the aether over time? It'd need only not stifle its vectors instantly in order for it to be spread.
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  6. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Because it bleeds/stagnates the aether over time? It'd need only not stifle its vectors instantly in order for it to be spread.
    Does it, though? I'd been given the impression from its demonstrations throughout Stormblood that it's rapidly lethal to anyone who so much as catches a whiff of it. Empowered by the umbral aether from the First via the Rejoining, I'd expect those qualities to become more pronounced, not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    Does it, though? I'd been given the impression from its demonstrations throughout Stormblood that it's rapidly lethal to anyone who so much as catches a whiff of it. Empowered by the umbral aether from the First via the Rejoining, I'd expect those qualities to become more pronounced, not less.
    And all the spiritual/aetheric/soul-based goings on in a human wouldn't be a bit more easily disrupted than, say, moisture being moist or difference in temperature causing air movement (let alone a solidly built stone fortress endangered only by erosion)?
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  8. #278
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    And all the spiritual/aetheric/soul-based goings on in a human wouldn't be a bit more easily disrupted than, say, moisture being moist or difference in temperature causing air movement (let alone a solidly built stone fortress endangered only by erosion)?
    Are you saying, then, that the forces that make up erosion wouldn't be negated by Black Rose? Or that they would, but only after they'd killed most of the world's population? Thus conveniently preventing the destruction of Ishgard—or more specifically, Fortemps Manor—over the course of two hundred years?

    Actually, another thing. How did anyone survive, period? Not just immediately, but over the course of years? The apocalypse as explained by Urianger doesn't exactly paint a picture of a world capable of sustaining life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    If Black Rose's potency is so great that even the wind stopped, how could it spread across the globe with nothing to carry it?
    The light aether equivalent of radiation. Also doubles as explanation for how some of the world survives, as the effect is diminished the further it radiates.

    Plus 200 years ain't that long, activity doesn't have to have totally stopped for Ishgard to be preserved, simply slowed. I'm pretty sure the city can survive a few light breezes and a bit of drizzle in a reasonably decent state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    idk I think Hrothgar are hideous.
    Specially the third and fourth faces (discount Khimari)

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Viera and Miqote are not furry. They're just humans/elves with animal ears and tail. That isn't furry, that's nekomimi.
    Thank you. Glad more people are aware of this.
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