This game has serious free-rider problems and it's getting worse. A suggestion.

[Joven]

Some issues cannot be removed. For example assholes. There will always be assholes or at least people to perceive to be assholes, you cannot remove all of them and everyone you do remove a new one will take its place. Thus the best way to solve the issue is instead circumvention.

Just want to warn you about using strong language on here. Most people might over look it, but you can never be too sure someone won't find offense in it.

[Ranaku]

Some issues cannot be removed. For example assholes. There will always be assholes or at least people to perceive to be assholes, you cannot remove all of them and everyone you do remove a new one will take its place. Thus the best way to solve the issue is instead circumvention.

DISCLAIMER: This is meant as a JOKE

So like catbois? I knew assholes and catbois are just hydras in disguise. Cut one head off (in a metaphorical sense obviously!) and two others take their place!

[Nothv13]

Just want to warn you about using strong language on here. Most people might over look it, but you can never be too sure someone won't find offense in it.

Oh I'm well aware. If someone does just proves the point that people give words too much power over them.

[Snorky]

snipped a really good post.

I am fairly new a sprout still. I have been following this thread closely. I am afraid after reading some of these posts. I didn't even know Bozja existed or some of these trials. So I agree with dezzmont here. And googling some of this doesn't help because many things are out dated. As a bard I am aware I will have one of the lowest dps, the other day in a trial I had my first taste of people disparaging my class. And when some one was explains mechanics to those of us who had never been there someone typed in 'ight' slang for alright. I typed back 'ight ' because I thought hey just want them to know I understand immediately the other tanks says okay buddy you can just leave we can get another DPS. I was like wow what did I say? It was so offensive, I just shutup through the rest of the trial. I feel like I'm caught in the middle not exactly understanding my role and at the same time people viewing me as useless and I truly like the bard class. Where do I look to for guidance? Heck I am still trying to get wanders minuet. I feel frustrated that people will label me and I'm level 54 and honestly I'm trying. It's all so dis heartening to see so many people not willing to help others who may or may not understand their class completely.

[Joven]

Oh I'm well aware. If someone does just proves the point that people give words too much power over them.

While I do agree is it really worth a suspension/ban to prove a point?

[Rinhi]

More honest concern than anything else to be honest. Dunno if you just have a bad day or maybe you are really socially blind which is also no shame in my opinion. It just means that you can't read others intentions very well which is not that rare actually.

But for a second let us assume i am really toxic and meant to insult "someone" with my post, do you think fighting fire with fire is a good solution and the best way to bring your point across?

where am I fighting fire with fire, exactly? by saying that I've only ever seen people use hyperbole in the aforementioned contexts where the exact same spiel played out as it's playing out right now, with one party hiding their toxicity behind concern trolling and gaslighting while they continue to belittle the other party through not so subtle personal attacks?
it's not hard to notice this when you've been part of multiple communities where people with various personalities converse, argue and clash with each other and yet, hyperbole is almost exclusively used by the same kind of people, but sure, continue to insult me because I think it's an atrocious rhetoric device

however, I do think this is the wrong thread for this kind of argument and that we won't see eye to eye on this due to our different experiences, so we should probably stop before it completely derails the topic
I'd say we should take it to PMs if this forum had any, but alas

[Ranaku]

where am I fighting fire with fire, exactly? by saying that I've only ever seen people use hyperbole in the aforementioned contexts where the exact same spiel played out as it's playing out right now, with one party hiding their toxicity behind concern trolling and gaslighting while they continue to belittle the other party through not so subtle personal attacks?
it's not hard to notice this when you've been part of multiple communities where people with various personalities converse, argue and clash with each other and yet, hyperbole is almost exclusively used by the same kind of people, but sure, continue to insult me because I think it's an atrocious rhetoric device

The problem is more that you make a villain out of hot air, i literally had no target with my post. So you literally fight against nothing for nothing. There is no person to defend and to be honest my ego is way too big to take a hit from a stranger giving me a lecture.

You interpreted my post as negative and put a negative post yourself out there. Which is basically fighting fire with fire.

So i am sorry weary forum user, it seems you have no fight left to fight.
^- See that is a joke, a reference to the gremlin ingame to lighten the mood. Which was my first post too, something fun to read and to enjoy for others. Something that is so exaggerated that nobody could take it serious, well almost nobody.

And again i don't mean to insult you, at all. Just trying to bring my point across in a fun and understanding way to be a contradiction to the always dry and heated discussions you find in forums. In my eyes it's nicer to read a exaggerated joke with a hint of truth instead of people just biting each others ankles. (At least we Lalafell since that is the only region of you cloudbreathers we can reach!)

[Nothv13]

While I do agree is it really worth a suspension/ban to prove a point?

This is literally just a forum for a game wouldn't bother me at all.

[KageTokage]

I am fairly new a sprout still. I have been following this thread closely. I am afraid after reading some of these posts. I didn't even know Bozja existed or some of these trials. So I agree with dezzmont here. And googling some of this doesn't help because many things are out dated. As a bard I am aware I will have one of the lowest dps, the other day in a trial I had my first taste of people disparaging my class. And when some one was explains mechanics to those of us who had never been there someone typed in 'ight' slang for alright. I typed back 'ight ' because I thought hey just want them to know I understand immediately the other tanks says okay buddy you can just leave we can get another DPS. I was like wow what did I say? It was so offensive, I just shutup through the rest of the trial. I feel like I'm caught in the middle not exactly understanding my role and at the same time people viewing me as useless and I truly like the bard class. Where do I look to for guidance? Heck I am still trying to get wanders minuet. I feel frustrated that people will label me and I'm level 54 and honestly I'm trying. It's all so dis heartening to see so many people not willing to help others who may or may not understand their class completely.

The ranged DPS do tend to have slightly lower DPS then the other types, but it's not going to really matter unless you're shooting for week 1 clears of the newest savage raids.

Sounds like you just ran into a particularly touchy individual who somehow interpreted your response as being cheeky or something.

I personally won't get fussed at someone underperforming as long as it looks like they're trying their best. If it's really obvious they don't give a damn and are, say, only spamming Jolt as RDM or literally just trying to AFK through a low level instance on SCH due to the faerie having enough healing to keep people up on its own, then I'll say something.

[Kes13a]

I am fairly new a sprout still. I have been following this thread closely. I am afraid after reading some of these posts. I didn't even know Bozja existed or some of these trials. So I agree with dezzmont here. And googling some of this doesn't help because many things are out dated. As a bard I am aware I will have one of the lowest dps, the other day in a trial I had my first taste of people disparaging my class. And when some one was explains mechanics to those of us who had never been there someone typed in 'ight' slang for alright. I typed back 'ight ' because I thought hey just want them to know I understand immediately the other tanks says okay buddy you can just leave we can get another DPS. I was like wow what did I say? It was so offensive, I just shutup through the rest of the trial. I feel like I'm caught in the middle not exactly understanding my role and at the same time people viewing me as useless and I truly like the bard class. Where do I look to for guidance? Heck I am still trying to get wanders minuet. I feel frustrated that people will label me and I'm level 54 and honestly I'm trying. It's all so dis heartening to see so many people not willing to help others who may or may not understand their class completely.

for the most part, that is likely a rare occurence. the fact that they were already cutting your class down kinda shows the mindset to begin with. I would say thats not the norm. mostly, as long as you are doing your best, have up to date gearing, and if at the beginning, if you have never been there, just say "new here" or "first timer here" usually get cut a decent amount of slack.

and, for me, I always said 'thanks' to an explanation because thats virtually impossible to misinterpret