This game has serious free-rider problems and it's getting worse. A suggestion.

[Alaeacus]

Honestly, it's not on those saying the game will only cater to casuals. It's on those who just refuse to accept it. It's a fact, and one that the developers themselves have not been shy about admitting to. I'm also not one to grab my pitchfork every time a parsing tool is brought up, yet here I stand disagreeing with this mindset. I must be an anomaly!

Developers change their minds all the time. SE has many times shown their direction can be influenced by the community. Quitting, and rolling over to show your belly just because to date a developer has disagreed with you, is not how you get meaningful change. The truth is: one group of people are fighting to make the game better, and one group is fighting convince others to give up and accept the flaws. Maybe you should re-evaluate what camp you fall under?

[Vahlnir]

Maybe you should re-evaluate what camp you fall under?

Perfectly happy where I am, thanks.

[Velnora]

Yoshi-P has gone on record saying tuning is designed to allow people who aren't aware of how poor they were performing to be carried without much issue. While not applicable to savage/ultimate, the goal by design is to complete the duty, not complete the duty as effectively as possible. They want casual players who aren't trying extra to be able to complete things, and that's why things are as easy as they are.

Living in ignorance is a terrible solution.

[KageTokage]

I find it funny that someone tagged this thread as "elitist drama" for daring to suggest the game implement systems that encourage people to actually improve.

The current way of things just makes it so people are going to be in for a very rude awakening if/when they decide to start attempting harder content and get grouped with others who are actually cognizant of their mistakes.

[Wavaryen]

I don't know why you think I care how the content was designed or why you're so hung up on that strawman.

If player 1 does more work than player 2 or vice versa and they both get the same reward then you're not getting rewarded for carrying anyone, they're being rewarded for doing the content.

I don't mind if you advocate for equity but don't don't hide behind equality.

Well if you don't care how the game is design, and the people who made the game states it is ok. That is a you problem not another player problem.

The head guy says that is what the system is for. What more proof do you want?

[Awha]

Sadly the comments in this thread and every other thread regarding this issue are just proof that personal accountability within FFXIV causal content is a pipe dream.

This is why I support people being liberal with their vote kicks see a leech kick them without saying a word.

[Wavaryen]

Sadly the comments in this thread and every other thread regarding this issue are just proof that personal accountability within FFXIV causal content is a pipe dream.

This is why I support people being liberal with their vote kicks see a leech kick them without saying a word.

and some people are reporting they are getting in trouble for kicking for no reason. So do so at your own risk.

[TeraRamis]

Sadly the comments in this thread and every other thread regarding this issue are just proof that personal accountability within FFXIV causal content is a pipe dream.

This is why I support people being liberal with their vote kicks see a leech kick them without saying a word.

I also support opening up vote kicks. The simple fact of the matter is that the "conspiratorial vote kick" that is imagined by these worrywarts is basically nonexistent - it's hard enough in this game to coordinate kicking a player who has been offline for 5+ minutes; almost nobody is going to scheme with their 2 other cohorts to boot some poor innocent. You've got to be just outright garbage at your job to catch the attention of 3 randos to the degree that they're giving you the boot.

[ForteNightshade]

A good example is DRN speed run parties vs DF. You can literally get a relic using speed runs vs 2 DRN via PF. This shows how inefficient DF truly is and how bare-minimums are the name of the game.

Just last week, I ran a DR through Duty Finder that took nearly an hour because only three people bothered with essences and/or actions. Contrast that to the speed run PF I joined later that same evening where I completed almost four in that same time frame. Naturally, a more organized PF will perform better as it attracts better players but the difference shouldn't be that staggering. It honestly speaks volumes to how poor a reception farming for clusters was. Which is the same issue Pagos had. The dev team needs to accept players just aren't going to farm mobs unless they're forced to. Nor will they spend gil.

Yoshi-P has gone on record saying tuning is designed to allow people who aren't aware of how poor they were performing to be carried without much issue. While not applicable to savage/ultimate, the goal by design is to complete the duty, not complete the duty as effectively as possible. They want casual players who aren't trying extra to be able to complete things, and that's why things are as easy as they are.

I'd have less of a problem with that stance if he didn't come out and constantly ask better players to "pick of the slack" (his words). When Castrum was basically getting ignored, he asked people to keep queuing to help other players despite their being no incentive whatsoever to do. I'm all for helping people who are genuinely trying, but DR has shown a frightening number of people who are doing little more than leeching. Keep in mind, if you're queuing for DR without an Essence, it's no different than having permanent Brick of Death. The damage difference is insane.

[Jin-]

I find it funny that someone tagged this thread as "elitist drama" for daring to suggest the game implement systems that encourage people to actually improve.

The current way of things just makes it so people are going to be in for a very rude awakening if/when they decide to start attempting harder content and get grouped with others who are actually cognizant of their mistakes.

You would be surprised but there are actually people out there who defend even the laziest person in the world and make excuses for their incompetence.

Next time you talk in public group try criticizing some random driver who drives 75km/h in 100km/h limit. You will be surprised to hear some make excuses instead of burning the driver for making everyone's life bad for that moment