This video about acts is pretty good from Yoshi-P

[LittleImp]

If the content gets completed that is all that should matter.

Absolutely not. You can still clear content even if someone is an active detriment to the group, it just forces everyone else into a position where they now need to overperform to compensate. Those people who overperform then have to roll equal odds for rare/time-locked loot against a person that hindered the group and created a more stressful situation.

Most reasonable people are going to be uncomfortable with that kind of situation.

[Roeshel]

Assuming that He is able to create or destroy worlds He is somekind of god
FFXIV created Yoshidism

What? According to that logic, even a baby is a god. A much stronger type of god if you ask me.

You think babies are not able to create or destroy worlds? Guess again.

[BlastHardcheese]

You may see the odd person taking regular content too seriously with an official parser and kick that Blizzard 1 spamming BLM from your Vault run but I doubt it'll be an epidemic of elitist proportions. They could (probably) even make it unusable in DF.

The ToS will protect people from getting bullied or chewed out in game. PF groups will just silently boot people drastically underperforming or disband and reform groups. Exactly as they do now.

[LisSquid]

Absolutely not. You can still clear content even if someone is an active detriment to the group, it just forces everyone else into a position where they now need to overperform to compensate. Those people who overperform then have to roll equal odds for rare/time-locked loot against a person that hindered the group and created a more stressful situation.

Most reasonable people are going to be uncomfortable with that kind of situation.

To be fair, you can use the in-game metrics to prove you had a reasonable need to boot someone. Was this person running around with res sickness the entire time? Were they ignoring calls? How many vuln snacks did they consume every pull? Were they using (visible) buffs as they should? Doing any of this does fall under the greenlight to kick, and no GM is going to think you did so because of ACT. Trust, if their dps is so bad that they're holding you back from a clear, then the in-game data available to players will match up with this.


If anything, making it so people can't blurt out raw dps in game for randoms is a good thing. As a veteran RL, learning to read logs was a fun and grueling task. Finding out what happened when, seeing exactly who did what and for how long.. Making sure we know how to adjust, not just as individuals, but as a team to secure our kill.

In other games it always seems to be the guy who doesn't know how to parse a log blasting his log in the pug. Yeah his deeps were enormous, but at the cost of not doing mechanics, making the healer stop dpsing to heal him, and costing us time overall. Don't have the fingers to count the people bragging about personal dps when they didn't pop a single group buff the entire instance.

ACT is fine. The people who use ACT for its purpose are fine. I just wish console users had more access to it without having to ask a friend.

[Snorky]

Absolutely not. You can still clear content even if someone is an active detriment to the group, it just forces everyone else into a position where they now need to overperform to compensate. Those people who overperform then have to roll equal odds for rare/time-locked loot against a person that hindered the group and created a more stressful situation.

Most reasonable people are going to be uncomfortable with that kind of situation.

I actually agree with you, I am not saying bad players or those clueless should be held accountable. That is why I said talk to people not at them. The use of third party programs is a TOS violation and the use of these programs has bee abused and people have been harassed and bullied this is a fact. It's not needed as so many have pointed out that the content will not let you move on if you are not up to par. I am saying the way things are set up in this game leads to better communication and less drama.

[LittleImp]

To be fair, you can use the in-game metrics to prove you had a reasonable need to boot someone. Was this person running around with res sickness the entire time? Were they ignoring calls? How many vuln snacks did they consume every pull? Were they using (visible) buffs as they should? Doing any of this does fall under the greenlight to kick, and no GM is going to think you did so because of ACT. Trust, if their dps is so bad that they're holding you back from a clear, then the in-game data available to players will match up with this.

Definitely, but ACT also essentially enables an external and public repository of fight data. It ends up functioning a bit like a resume, and often allows you to save yourself a lot of time and frustration while recruiting.

For example, while putting together my current Ultimate group, I had 4-5 people apply that had extremely bad logs; When I say bad, I mean like they die 3-4 times in every fight of every 24-man and struggle to even finish their basic combos. Without an external resume, I would have had to take these people at their word that they're ultimate ready, and then try to schedule a trial with the other members of the group. That can quickly balloon into a lot of man-hours wasted just to find out someone was taking the piss and is a totally unviable player.


PUGs are a crapshoot though. People really shouldn't kick over logs alone unless it's really bad. I always try to give people a chance in PUGs, and sometimes you just have to embrace the chaos for what it is.

[Jijifli]

If the content gets completed that is all that should matter.

Can I shameless plug an old post? Let me shameless plug an old post.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-m-Venting.%29

This was not an exaggeration, but we did kill Fenrir so that surely SURELY was all that mattered, no? Who cares if I practically had to solo the final boss, it's dead, no?

I'm not gonna say "LOL PEOPLE SHOULD BE TOP TIPPITY TOP EEEEEEE" because that's not ever going to happen. What I want however, is people to have the tools they need to help themselves improve or see what is wrong. Because, apparently, there wasn't enough of a hint for those 3, because we did clear, right?

[Sotaris]

Ofc they have to say no to all third party applications. Not like they can say ACT is fine but not x plugin to ACT. It’s all or nothing hence don’t tell statement.

[Rinhi]

Can I shameless plug an old post? Let me shameless plug an old post.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-m-Venting.%29

This was not an exaggeration, but we did kill Fenrir so that surely SURELY was all that mattered, no? Who cares if I practically had to solo the final boss, it's dead, no?

I'm not gonna say "LOL PEOPLE SHOULD BE TOP TIPPITY TOP EEEEEEE" because that's not ever going to happen. What I want however, is people to have the tools they need to help themselves improve or see what is wrong. Because, apparently, there wasn't enough of a hint for those 3, because we did clear, right?

"good" to know that things never change when it comes to people bending over backwards to coddle truly bad players, but jesus christ those first few pages...

[Wilford111]

Yoshi-P did respectfully ask us, his playerbase, to not use tools like that.

Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.