[5.55 Bozja spoilers] Additional post-ending Bozja story hidden in the field record

[KizuyaKatogami]

There's also the fact that Bozja's storyline directly ties with the main game's storyline. It's literally about the Garlean Empire, but it stands in a weird place as 6.0 suggests the end of Garlemald.

Well that isn’t *too* jarring because they do acknowledge the fact that Gabranth’s legion is moreso separated from Garlemald, so much so he doesn’t request troops from them iirc. So he’s moreso detached from Garlemald itself and that’s what made it even more interesting to me. I do think though, Garlemald wasn’t originally supposed to be the destroyed. It just seems like an extremely lazy way to cut off multiple plot points that they don’t want to write.

[Kesey]

Well that isn’t *too* jarring because they do acknowledge the fact that Gabranth’s legion is moreso separated from Garlemald, so much so he doesn’t request troops from them iirc. So he’s moreso detached from Garlemald itself and that’s what made it even more interesting to me. I do think though, Garlemald wasn’t originally supposed to be the destroyed. It just seems like an extremely lazy way to cut off multiple plot points that they don’t want to write.

Garlemald was always going to be destroyed. Every empire or corporate empire falls in every Final Fantasy. The question was just going to be by what means.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Garlemald was always going to be destroyed. Every empire or corporate empire falls in every Final Fantasy. The question was just going to be by what means.

I mean, the empire doesn’t fall in ff12. So that’s not really true. You don’t know if it was going to fall or not, but my main point anyway was it most likely wasn’t going to happen this soon if at all, considering the hydy zodi arc was supposed to end in 7.0 not 6.0, and considering most of the destruction of it happens off screen well, pretty self explanatory.

[RyuDragnier]

I mean, the empire doesn’t fall in ff12. So that’s not really true. You don’t know if it was going to fall or not, but my main point anyway was it most likely wasn’t going to happen this soon if at all, considering the hydy zodi arc was supposed to end in 7.0 not 6.0, and considering most of the destruction of it happens off screen well, pretty self explanatory.

I still don't think it's going to completely fall. I think it's going to be another FF12 where a new heir takes the reins. I still think Nerva may end up being the "Larsa" of Garlemald.

[Kesey]

I still don't think it's going to completely fall. I think it's going to be another FF12 where a new heir takes the reins. I still think Nerva may end up being the "Larsa" of Garlemald.

That's an interesting thought. In my mind Gaius would have been the one to take over. Idk, guess we'll see in November.

[YianKutku]

I still don't think it's going to completely fall. I think it's going to be another FF12 where a new heir takes the reins. I still think Nerva may end up being the "Larsa" of Garlemald.

That's an interesting thought. In my mind Gaius would have been the one to take over. Idk, guess we'll see in November.

Honestly I'd be very wary of having any single character "take over", in a way that matters within the setting, rather than just having a single character be the "face" of the nation for marketing purposes. I'd be perfectly fine with Garlemald reforming to have a Parliament/Forum/Senate, and maybe Nerva or Gaius or Maxima will happen to be the representative, the way Aymeric is for Ishgard, or Lyse is for Ala Mhigo. (And yes, I'm still really uncomfortable with Merlwyb and Limsa Lominsa's political situation.)

My stance has always been that the Empire must die, or at least be turned into "Empire in name only". Garlemald should choose another form of government that does not involve conquest (whether violent or otherwise), which is what imperialism inherently is. So in that sense, I do not see the Garlean Empire surviving. (I'm cautiously betting on the Garlean Republic rising again, but it could be any number of other political systems that serve the same ends.)

[KizuyaKatogami]

Honestly I'd be very wary of having any single character "take over", in a way that matters within the setting, rather than just having a single character be the "face" of the nation for marketing purposes. I'd be perfectly fine with Garlemald reforming to have a Parliament/Forum/Senate, and maybe Nerva or Gaius or Maxima will happen to be the representative, the way Aymeric is for Ishgard, or Lyse is for Ala Mhigo. (And yes, I'm still really uncomfortable with Merlwyb and Limsa Lominsa's political situation.)

My stance has always been that the Empire must die, or at least be turned into "Empire in name only". Garlemald should choose another form of government that does not involve conquest (whether violent or otherwise), which is what imperialism inherently is. So in that sense, I do not see the Garlean Empire surviving. (I'm cautiously betting on the Garlean Republic rising again, but it could be any number of other political systems that serve the same ends.)

I don’t think they really need to change much. Like other’s have mentioned, i think Nerva will be a Larsa-like figure who keeps the Empire’s core ideals and simply keeps friendly ties with the other nations. I’d rather that and they get to have their own provinces than the Alliance try to alliance-fy them. That would be extremely boring.I’m curious what you mean on being extremely careful of having a single character take over? It worked very well in 12 which is a game they take heavy inspiration from. Also i don’t think conquest is bad, necessarily. It’s just natural with the way things are in the setting. Just like irl where we wouldn’t be where we are today with conquest.

[GoldStarz]

Also i don’t think conquest is bad, necessarily. It’s just natural with the way things are in the setting. Just like irl where we wouldn’t be where we are today with conquest.

I mean cool thoughts but it is. There's no reason for the subjugation of others. Even from your perspective, scientific advancement can be achieved much faster and much better with collaboration than conquest.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean cool thoughts but it is. There's no reason for the subjugation of others. Even from your perspective, scientific advancement can be achieved much faster and much better with collaboration than conquest.

Except in the Garlean case, it was literally a matter of either attempt to conquer or become literally extinct. Our history has been full of and involved with conquest. It isn’t any different in the games story.Conquest is a major part in both the history of our world and the history in the setting of the game. It doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing whatsoever, in many cases conquest led to people leading more free lives and safety under the law of others.Conquering brings benefits, it doesnt just not bring anyting.

[Lauront]

I'm hoping they take a page out of ESO and make it so it starts off seeming like the stories are standalone, only for you to slowly notice a pattern or overarching thread linking them together. Example, ESO had a number of side content and an expansion that seemed stand alone, but you started noticing threads linking them...and then they're all pieced together in the next expansion, leading to the end of that story arc. It kinda floored me that there was basically 5 storylines that seemed to have nothing to do together, only to suddenly link together and converge into the finale. After doing that, you start noticing the threads a hell of a lot easier in the earlier content that led up to it. Though if they were to do this, I would prefer 2 expansion story arcs. Meaning all the side content in one expansion starts hinting to it, just for the next expansion to confirm and move things towards the finale of it.

I agree and I like this sort of approach. I think XIV leans very heavily on one singular common thread in its MSQ, but I also wouldn't want to go to the opposite end of no connection between stories. A subtler, overarching connecting thread that is gradually pulled apart would be ideal. That said, I'd like to see that achieved without the baggage of the whole WoL role.