Popular WoW content creator Bellular is praising FF14.

[Vahlnir]

We don't need WoW content creators to validate that FFXIV is a great game.

Correct. However, some are seemingly using this opportunity to switch as a chance to flip off Blizzard. Can't really blame them. They are more than welcome to join if they so choose. Heck, they might even relax after awhile once they remember what fun feels like.

[van_arn]

We don't need WoW content creators to validate that FFXIV is a great game.

Being recognized by your peers certainly helps, though. Welcome them.

[KizuyaKatogami]

In the end, i do hope some WoW players come here and hopefully it gives Blizzard the wake-up call they need to better their game. 14 needs competition before the devs start getting lazy(if they haven’t already). I’d love to see other mmo’s flourish so that it’s not only 14 on the market. Granted though there are a few upcoming mmo’s like blue protocol and ashes of creation that are looking very very good.

[Senn]

I like hearing Bellular's thoughts on ffxiv. I'm also kind of interested in what Asmongold would think of the endgame content. If he decides he'd like to give the game a chance, I'd probably stop by his stream and watch a bit.

In general, I just like seeing people try out ffxiv for the first time and hearing their opinions on it.

[Tsumdere]

Having WoW content creators move over to FFXIV would be nothing but a boon to the game.

Asmongold in himself, is not a bad person and has very respectable opinions about content in WoW. No doubt he would have respectable opinions in FFXIV. Perhaps him migrating over would be everything Square Enix needed to motivate themselves to improve the new player experience and PvP (two extremely weak points that drive a lot of people away from FFXIV).

Unfortunately, his chat would follow and they are barely above amoebas in intelligence, but they wouldn't last in FFXIV's moderation culture and would be culled pretty dang fast. Perhaps a wave of true toxicity would harden some folks who are a bit more report happy towards minor disagreements.

And ultimately, most people who are still stuck with WoW already hate the FFXIV community. What are they gonna do... hate it more? FFXIV stands more to gain from content creators coming over, even if said creators dislike it. Someone in their viewerbase will like it and pick it up which is a netgain for us.

[Nightroad]

Do not know them or watch their channels.
Also do not care what some random characters on you tube think .

[Shurrikhan]

WoW Human males look like a combination between someone's dad and a disfigured gorilla. The faces and customization are perhaps the worst of any MMO on the market.

I would have agreed before their update. Now, the majority of male Human faces look better than male Hyur faces, imo.

I never understood the WoW players dislike for ff14's aesthetic either when WoW is all bright colours, exaggerated chunky features, pandas, goats and big cartoon eyes everywhere.

That's... incredibly blanketing and reductive, as I'm sure you'd point out any time XIV is called "anime".

If ff14 is anime, then WoW by comparison would be a children's cartoon aimed at 10 year olds. They're hardly in a place to ridicule us over aesthetic.

And in a decade or so on the WoW forum since XIV's release, I've seen very little ridicule aimed at our aesthetics save for

• blinding VFX (having only the options, ultimately, of "see skills" or "see boss"),
• the terrible antistrophic filtering and the most inescapable cases of Moire effect and edge-stutter of just about any MMO,
• lalafels (for our version of what will ultimately end up just as grizzled, jaded, and pragmatic as any WoW gnome at least at first looking uncomfortably like chubby children, which can feel "pedo" to some, whereas gnomes' homonculi-like appearance at worst just look ugly),
• a graphical experience that ultimately seems far more held back by its low end options than those seen on WoW (on no setting does grass look decent, is there any flora physics, or truly decent shadows, etc),
• failure to improve terrain maps beyond what WoW featured by 2010 (flying over many a zone will reveal a precisely repeating grid of earthen textures),
• incredibly low resolution textures, worsened when near higher resolution textures (especially when those higher resolution textures are already on an object that would be far less distracting),
• various comments of Elezen (clunky-step), Au Ra (skin disease), Hrothgar (my hair is my face, my face is my hair), etc., looking either awkward, having few likeable options, or being race concepts which fundamentally would require more customization options than they were given.

Ironically, although i haven’t played wow, i’ve glanced at their forums and reddit and they don’t seem to bash this game nearly as hard as some of our community does which is...ironic.

Yeah, most mentions of XIV seem to be along the lines of "Could we have fewer invasive systems and just get to the meat and potatoes of content, like in XIV (or before Legion)", or "Hey, this game's pretty fun; if you're feeling burned out, I'd recommend it", or "Tried XIV, got to level 40ish, but it just didn't quite click for me". For every "eww, weeb shit", which are never the content of the opening posts, there are a good 25+ very even-keeled responses.

It's too bad that guy is such a white knight for FF. It's not healthy when you can't have a constructive discussion. Same thing with Brian guy from Work to Game or whatever the YT channel is called - maybe he matured over the years but probably one of the biggest White Knights in the FF14 Content creator scene I saw when I used to watch their videos years ago.

Same. I'm willing to chalk that up for now as Michael being the kind of guy who is willing to fully embrace an experience until he's given it his fair shake and then possibly correct for some things he was perhaps too kind on in the past, but the last thing we need is another white knight. Given the very concrete critical work he's put in in the past, I'm really hoping (even expecting) that's not where he'll end, though.

I played WoW when 1.0 was in the process of dying and they were literally dancing in the streets of Ogrimmar celebrating FF14 being a dead MMO. Also anyone who said ARR, Heavensward or Stormblood were good were told to go play that weeb trash.

I, too, was playing WoW simultaneously with 1.x, but it felt more like 90% of WoW players had never heard of XIV; half of those who had, had no opinion on it, and the other half mostly thought it made for an interestingly sad story; and a small portion were playing it, too, and more or less enjoying it as an altogether different experience or else enjoying it for a time before being too frustrated off by UI or responsiveness issues and returning briefly to vent.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Having WoW content creators move over to FFXIV would be nothing but a boon to the game.

Asmongold in himself, is not a bad person and has very respectable opinions about content in WoW. No doubt he would have respectable opinions in FFXIV. Perhaps him migrating over would be everything Square Enix needed to motivate themselves to improve the new player experience and PvP (two extremely weak points that drive a lot of people away from FFXIV).

Unfortunately, his chat would follow and they are barely above amoebas in intelligence, but they wouldn't last in FFXIV's moderation culture and would be culled pretty dang fast. Perhaps a wave of true toxicity would harden some folks who are a bit more report happy towards minor disagreements.

And ultimately, most people who are still stuck with WoW already hate the FFXIV community. What are they gonna do... hate it more? FFXIV stands more to gain from content creators coming over, even if said creators dislike it. Someone in their viewerbase will like it and pick it up which is a netgain for us.

I think we need people from other mmo’s period because this community just seems way too sensitive and has paper thin skin when it comes to criticism. It’s honestly only something i’ve ever experienced in this game where people take any form of criticism whether it be in casual content or not, as some personal attack and whine and cry about it everywhere. Or people blindly defending lazy people in dungeons who don’t press buttons. Maybe having some of the more hardened people from mmo’s like WoW or Eso can balance the scales and either have a positive effect on said sensitive people or would help make them go away lol

[Puremallace]

I think we need people from other mmo’s period because this community just seems way too sensitive and has paper thin skin when it comes to criticism. It’s honestly only something i’ve ever experienced in this game where people take any form of criticism whether it be in casual content or not, as some personal attack and whine and cry about it everywhere. Or people blindly defending lazy people in dungeons who don’t press buttons. Maybe having some of the more hardened people from mmo’s like WoW or Eso can balance the scales and either have a positive effect on said sensitive people or would help make them go away lol

I played WoW when 1.0 was in the process of dying and they were literally dancing in the streets of Ogrimmar celebrating FF14 being a dead MMO. Also anyone who said ARR, Heavensward or Stormblood were good were told to go play that weeb trash.

WoW players are not "hardened" unless you mean completely screwed over by developers that seem to hate their own playerbase.

FF14 have been attacked going on 8+ years now for even playing this MMO so it should not come as a shock when they get defensive from people who have never played the MMO. There are also ways to give feedback AS YOU SEE ON THESE FORUMS DAILY that does not require to be rude.

[Catwho]

As far as I'm concerned, the best possible outcome from XIV becoming more popular/better/awesomer than WoW to some people is that WoW/Blizzard steps up the game and stops sucking.

I really feel bad for the folks who loved that game and ended up leaving it because it stopped being what they loved. This has nothing to do with them playing XIV or the WoW content creators liking our game - I just believe people should be allowed to enjoy things, and it's sad the content creator of the thing they enjoyed ended up wrecking it instead.

You want to beat your rival when they are at their strongest, not when they've fallen into a shell of their former selves.