Let's delete tier 1 "Cure" spells in 6.0 (by upgrading them to tier 2)

[Roeshel]

I feel like we're missing the fact that all the baby heals (Cure, Benefic, and Phsyick) have a lower cast time than the upgraded counterparts. This allows weaving a single oGCD and in instances where you need to heal someone quickly before damage strikes they can allow you to get the heal where you need it in time to prevent a death. I dont use any of those spells often but I do know what they are good for and why and have resorted to them when the situation calls for it like after a revive when mp is scarce. I realize for most people the spells feel redundant but I like having them there for the small niche usage. If the cast time and mp cost carried over to their counterparts when they got replaced I would be completely on board tho.

As a WHM I don't even use Cure II in level 80 dungeons, what use could someone possibly have of Cure? It is just bad play. You have better gcds and ogcds at your disposal. Cure and Benefic are good for nothing. If you want instant heal, you use Afflatus Solace, followed by Tetragrammaton which is 1400 cure potency in less than 1.5s, the amount of time you need to cast Cure for 400 potency. So you get 1k cure potency more and you still have time to weave one more ogcd.

[Almagnus1]

As a WHM I don't even use Cure II in level 80 dungeons, what use could someone possibly have of Cure? It is just bad play. You have better gcds and ogcds at your disposal. Cure and Benefic are good for nothing. If you want instant heal, you use Afflatus Solace, followed by Tetragrammaton which is 1400 cure potency in less than 1.5s, the amount of time you need to cast Cure for 400 potency. So you get 1k cure potency more and you still have time to weave one more ogcd.

Ok.... I dare you to try that in a Nier raid after half your party is making you yell:

[BaconBits]

If you have to bust out low tier heals like cure 1 and benefic 1 in a situation like that, then the party was already doomed to fail from the start.

[Commander_Justitia]

What I'm saying is, you can't have good CC or 4D debuff chess unless you have content difficult enough to warrant it.

Yeah like I mentioned, Palace of the Dead past floors 100/150 is such a content. Even if its useless atm in most other dungeons, I actually would like to see dungeons designed around cc and not just dps.
Like... you could actually see the dungeon map/details for once too and don't just rush everything They are selling their own game short by promoting such effecient killing of mobs that are not a threat. Idk when I died last time in a dungeon

[NobleWinter]

As a WHM I don't even use Cure II in level 80 dungeons, what use could someone possibly have of Cure? It is just bad play. You have better gcds and ogcds at your disposal. Cure and Benefic are good for nothing. If you want instant heal, you use Afflatus Solace, followed by Tetragrammaton which is 1400 cure potency in less than 1.5s, the amount of time you need to cast Cure for 400 potency. So you get 1k cure potency more and you still have time to weave one more ogcd.

I called the tier 1 spells niche and admitted I rarely use them, but why in the world would you think abilities with 30 second and 60 second cool downs are an appropriate response to my statement? I would only be using a Tier 1 ability if I didnt have access to literally anything better. That's what makes it niche in the first place.

[Hysterior]

Yeah I do cringe when I see LVL 70 or 80 players using their base GCD skill.
They need to gooooooo

[Commander_Justitia]

The base spells heal faster at least, if you run out of instants but need to top a single person - Cure II might be too late before the raid wide aoe.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The base spells heal faster at least, if you run out of instants but need to top a single person - Cure II might be too late before the raid wide aoe.

This—which is why I’d like for them to add some useful trait tied to Cure I. It won’t replace Cure II certainly, but at least it’s something that you might use & won’t leave a bad taste aftermath.

Admittedly, the situation when one runs out of Lilies, Tetra, or Bene to quickly heal 1 player is still very rare. I had a few myself with Cure I ended up saving a live, but it’s like once in a blue moon occasion. When it happens though, I’d make sure to make use of that one free weave slot.

[Acece]

We could just let cure 2 have a 1.5 gcd instead of having cure 1. It'll make it so it kind of steps on the toes of solace but solace gives back damage and two weave spaces. It'll make it not as niche while giving us a another good weave instead of building on a dead skill.

[dezzmont]

We could just let cure 2 have a 1.5 gcd instead of having cure 1. It'll make it so it kind of steps on the toes of solace but solace gives back damage and two weave spaces. It'll make it not as niche while giving us a another good weave instead of building on a dead skill.

This is the right answer. It also helps reduce how bad it feels to use GCD heals, and maybe making GCD heals faster and with lower recast could help the role depend a bit less on oGCDs. GCDs would still be suboptimal but you wouldn't be as punished using them and they may make a bit more sense to pop instead or a big CD from time to time.