How much content was cut for Male Vieras?

[MPK]

I sincerely doubt the same resources that go into making a race also go into Ultimate and All Saints Wake. They're different skillsets and different teams. What's more accurate is "this is probably why we don't have hats on them yet".

And no, not screw the rest of us. You're having to wait longer for an ultimate, they had to wait a whole expansion for what they wanted.

And it's not like there's been a global pandemic going on that has already created sizeable delays or anything? Or changing how they work in a less efficient style of work environment.

It makes sense it would affect All Saints Wakes. It requires making new assets, new glamour items which requires new assets for each race/gender pair.

Ultimates on the other hand reuses assets.

Casuals will definitely be punished harder than people who do real content.

[Awha]

I get the hype around getting something you want, especially after many within the community said it was not going to be happen.

Even still I wish SE would be transparent and tell us what customization options were axed, having to funnel the resources into making the missing genders.

Or I wish they did a community poll or something. I personally still stand by the fact I think this was a bad idea. I think they should have used those resources into adding hairstyles to the already existing viera and hrothgar. Used those resources to make a commitment to at the very least making to so any new headgear can be used by both viera and hrothgar. Even if they did not promise hats, still would be nice if new hats and headgear that is released works for every race.

I know we will never know.

[Saefinn]

This is not satisfying niches. This is wasting a disproportionate amount of resources on those niches.

When is the last time the other races got some customization? How is it ok that they're spending an entire expansion's worth of effort to satisfy a niche of players who will drop Male Viera two weeks after Endwalker release?

A disproportionate amount of resources? What about the resources they gave every other race (except Hrothgar, which we know is coming) to make two genders?

And I don't think it's as sizeable in resources as it might have been, it looks like they're repurposed the male Au Ra torso for them, which depending on how they've approached it could save tones of resource when it comes to making gear fit. So it's possible most of the work went into the head models (which they could probably have used the female heads as a base rather than model new ones), into the hairstyle and animation. So it might not have been as resource heavy as it sounds.

And when was the last time other races got some customization? This is just them bringing those two races up to the SAME standard as the other races.

I am legit confused why making steps to finish an unfinished race is such a point of contention? Maybe I can get arguments against adding new races and saying maybe they shouldn't have added Viera and Hrothgar, but I'd think wanting a completed race should be the bare minimum expectation?

Especially after the devs said they wouldn't genderlock races.


It's not even special treatment.

[LianaThorne]

I'm really failing to understand why people are mad about the devs keeping their word? Like...they said a while ago that there would be more Viera/Hrothgar stuff and now we're here. Ya'll had plenty of time to come to terms with that happening at some point. I get that cut content sucks and something has to suffer for other things to be implemented (especially with the staff & money environment 14 has right now) but it's kind of a bit stupid to say that "No one is going to use this." or "This is just for ERPs." I would think Yoshi-P (who literally is against in game brothels and tells people to report them) wouldn't do this for the purpose of people popping boners. Let's be real now. I'm in a pretty large FC and everyone that was online during the FF announcement was pumped for male Viera (a lot are not involved in the RP scene whatsoever).

I personally would love harder content too, but this whole thread is a weird way of handling it. Then again, it's a troll thread so *shrug*.

[SaberMaxwell]

MPK are you taking a shot every time someone says that you said that they sacrificed Ultimate for bunny boys? I know you present yourself as a charicature but that seems to have been distorted even more at this point lol

[MPK]

MPK are you taking a shot every time someone says that you said that they sacrificed Ultimate for bunny boys? I know you present yourself as a charicature but that seems to have been distorted even more at this point lol

I'm not surprised tbh, toxic erpers don't read (except for erp content)

[DarkDaifuku]

While everyone complaining about possible cut glamour, I am just here still waiting for the 2017 Korean dress to arrive in NA datacenter.

[LaylaTsarra]

For the most part, they have kept up with releasing new hairstyles and glamour like we always get. The only thing I would guess got pushed back is new hairstyles and fixes for viera and Hrothgar. It’s unfortunate, but hopefully a lot will be coming for them in 6.0 No All Saints wake is disappointing, but that probably has more to do with being so close to the expansion launch. Of course, they could always release it late or combine it.

We can hope they have a package of those when they announce and flesh out what we know about the Male Viera announcement. I hopeful they will address that although it might not be as extensive as we would like. Giving the current races nothing would be a terrible slap in the face to those users given they're been waiting now almost two years.

I'm personally happy to see the racial addition and a promise of female Hrothgar to come in the future.

Relative to what's been cut or delayed I would say that is more due to the corona virus than anything else at this point. We have still to learn more about the xpac before we can make any decisions about what might have been cut from it.

[Kurando]

Kinda thought Hrothgar was a waste of resources, could have just been NPCs all along like the lupin/wolf characters you see in Yanxia. But hey I'm not the only one paying sub here, bit of a tightrope to please every single player with X or Y content.

As for the All Saints Wake argument, literally it's all just reused assets for the most part. New glamour/items don't even need to be added, the Haukke redesign already exists as do the activities you could do inside the manor. Male Viera would barely effect this, if Yoshi just decided to drop the event this year then it is what it is. Prefer resources to be given to content that lasts more than 3 weeks honestly....

[WoW]

MPK complaining about toxicity.

The dev team a long time ago promised they wouldn't genderlock races. I strongly suspect the reason we didn't get male Viera and female Hrothgar was due to limited resources to spend on it.

So this is really just them making sure they're not going back on their word.

And yes, there is an active demand for both. I mean, all people are asking for is both races to be finish, because they were released incomplete.

It looks like they're using the male Au Ra frame for the body, so they've likely cut out a chunk of work by doing that, because they'd probably not have to do a lot to adapt gearsets for them as the version for male Au Ra problem work out of the box or almost out of the box.




Ultimate is only for a small percentage of the player base, should they cut that and make more stuff everybody has access to?

I feel like they pool some resources into stuff that suits almosts everyone and resources to suit different niches.

So really when people get salty about a niche being satisfied, there's a chance they've suited a niche that suits them too. I mean, I'm in the niche of people who love Au Ra and they gave us male and female versions.

Ultimate is a content that millions watch on stream and has more publicity than someone playing a bunny boy. And they never promised they won't genderlock. Stop spreading lies about the dev team. They did that out of their own accord. Not for a made up promise you guys are circulating.