Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[linayar]

I think your own reading comprehension needs some work, because I clearly stated in the quote,

"And really, my point was less their side thing regarding not being able to manage a basic fundamental task of healing, but"

It was not about you not being able to nor seeming to want to learn how to manage healing better on a controller. My side mention about you and healing was not even remotely part of the further discussion in that post. My main point had nothing to do with you or your SCH stuff. I was reiterating the rest of my initial post in this thread, unrelated to you and your posts.

You are really not that important to me lol.

Then why were you quoting me?

In fact, you mentioning your so-called point was in response to Saefinn saying they also understood what I meant by mentioning Scholar. What strange jumping point to your point.

Also, I did not read beyond that initial page, so no - if there were context clues to tie SMN and SCH together beyond just ~assumption and logic~, I missed them. I don't play SMN and leveled SCH on an alt from 30. Not everyone is going to insta-click that you meant you used the DPS cheat to level SCH in comparison to the other healers, especially when no mention of SMN came about until someone else pointed it out and reminded me.

You didn't need to go beyond that initial page. That one post you quoted has enough of the context. But fair enough. Like I said, if you didn't know, not a big deal.

[Lanadra]

Thank you for proving the OP's message.

Look, if you want to have a better community, don't dogpile on a person's concerns with mean-spirited comments to make them feel unwelcome. The OP has legitimate concerns of how the game performs structurally. Allow space for solutions. There's TONS of methods by which the game developers could reconsider how leveling and training characters could be reinvented in a logical and sensible manner.

Especially rotations. Especially skill acquisition.

Yes, and I shall quote myself from earlier..

And yet all of you keep wondering 'what can SE do for me in this?' instead of 'what can I do to resolve this issue for myself?'. More than a few of us have repeatedly told OP to do things like queue with a premade or using PF to avoid much of the issue, it keeps being ignored because it's not the solution OP wants. And hey, I can understand that, I personally see nothing wrong with SE doing things to inherently encourage self improvement as people play, rather than a philosophy of solidarity, ergo, others can and should make up for one persons deficiencies. Quite bluntly put however, as that is apparently needed, SE 'ain't gonna do shit' about it. So, what can you, any and all of you who have been collectively bemoaning the 'at least half' of your 'superbad' DF runs, do to resolve this issue for yourselves?

I can say a lot about Awha's chosen method, namely, very liberal usage of vote kick, but at least they are using means offered to them in the game to attempt to resolve this issue for themselves. The rest of you just keep complaining and only saying what SE needs to do, which they won't, or what the 'superbad' players being discussed need to do, which again.. they won't. You can queue as a premade, you can use PF, you can kick these bad apples, you can report them if they're griefing on top of refusing to make an effort, which one could perhaps under certain conditions also consider to be griefing in and of itself.

When it is so clear that SE has no desire to change this 'culture of enabling' the question should be 'what can I do to resolve this issue for myself?'. Because the easiest solution, namely SE doing something about it from the developer side, has already been eliminated.

[_Koneko_]

i'm of the mindset that you would not know if you did not use illegal software the ban hammer should fall upon your ToS Violating heads
"Justice will be swift, justice will be painful! It will be delicious!

[KageTokage]

You honestly don't even need a parser to tell if a group is good/bad/average DPS-wise in DF.

Gauging DPS is doable simply from how many mechanics a boss gets off, and most bosses in general will never get a chance to start looping their mechanics if a party is doing good DPS.

I personally wouldn't criticize anyone for it or say anything in general unless the lack of DPS is making it difficult/impossible to actually clear a fight, though(Which has happened with Titania's add phase on multiple occasions, though simply bugging one of the ranged/casters to use LB3 there usually fixes it).

[Awha]

I think your own reading comprehension needs some work, because I clearly stated in the quote,

"And really, my point was less their side thing regarding not being able to manage a basic fundamental task of healing, but"

It was not about you not being able to nor seeming to want to learn how to manage healing better on a controller. My side mention about you and healing was not even remotely part of the further discussion in that post. My main point had nothing to do with you or your SCH stuff. I was reiterating the rest of my initial post in this thread, unrelated to you and your posts.

You are really not that important to me lol.

Also, I did not read beyond that initial page, so no - if there were context clues to tie SMN and SCH together beyond just ~assumption and logic~, I missed them. I don't play SMN and leveled SCH on an alt from 30. Not everyone is going to insta-click that you meant you used the DPS cheat to level SCH in comparison to the other healers, especially when no mention of SMN came about until someone else pointed it out and reminded me.

Would not call using SMN to level SCH a cheat. Do not beat yourself up that you did not see it, but that is also no reason to get testy by it.

This is easily one of those moments that could have be solved with a simple "oops forgot about that sorry."

[SturmChurro]

Would not call using SMN to level SCH a cheat. Do not beat yourself up that you did not see it, but that is also no reason to get testy by it.

This is easily one of those moments that could have be solved with a simple "oops forgot about that sorry."

I used SCH to level SMN. Faster queues.

[KizuyaKatogami]

i'm of the mindset that you would not know if you did not use illegal software the ban hammer should fall upon your ToS Violating heads
"Justice will be swift, justice will be painful! It will be delicious!

Seriously? I think it’s pretty obvious when you see a black mage using fire 4 on a mob pack or a rdm hard casting their spells. It’s pretty blatant. Please don’t make it out like it’s so difficult to spit when 9 times out of 10 it’s very obvious whether it’s you literally seeing someone not doing their positionals, not using aoe, or the mobs are dying so slow the tank is running out of cd’s and the healer is out of mana.

[Awha]

I used SCH to level SMN. Faster queues.

Now that is a cheat! You must suffer in dps queue! :P

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Would not call using SMN to level SCH a cheat. Do not beat yourself up that you did not see it, but that is also no reason to get testy by it.

This is easily one of those moments that could have be solved with a simple "oops forgot about that sorry."

Wasn't using "cheat" in any testy manner, just a word that applies to the SMN/SCH leveling process being able to be cheese by one or the other. If you read it otherwise, that's not really on me.

Then why were you quoting me?

In fact, you mentioning your so-called point was in response to Saefinn saying they also understood what I meant by mentioning Scholar. What strange jumping point to your point.

You... realize it's possible to branch off from a quoted post with a different discussion topic or point, right? That's how forums work?

[Awha]

Wasn't using "cheat" in any testy manner, just a word that applies to the SMN/SCH leveling process being able to be cheese by one or the other. If you read it otherwise, that's not really on me.



You... realize it's possible to branch off from a quoted post with a different discussion topic or point, right? That's how forums work?

Cheat is the sense of a game such as this normally refers to doing something that was not intended by the game developers. Anyways sorry for the misunderstanding.

Though the cheat comment is not what I was referring to in regards to you getting testy. More so your general approach over something that largely boils down to a misunderstanding. :P