Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Lanadra]

Aye I miss creating a guild mocking a reg star that would never queue for ranked and turned them into meme of the server. The amount of shit they got because if this would never fly here.

Miss the days were being an asshole was just all part of being on the internet. Now people want to create some safe space of tolerance.

That sounds like facilitating and encouraging harassment. Being an asshole is generally not actually a good thing nor something to be proud of, even outside of 'hyper sensitive safe spaces'.

[Dzian]

Unfortunately my generation is full of hyper sensitive people. It's made prevalent in 14's community when you cant even give someone advice without them getting offended or whenever something sad happens in the story they have an emotional break down over pixels. Playful banter would make them create a 10 paragraph essay on why chat should be disabled in every piece of content ;p

I think thats tied to the internet and the fact that it replaces real communication on so many levels, so younger generations seem to have no (or at least much less) sense of empathy and language (body language, tone, manerisms) etc.. all of which can drastically change the meaning of the words used... but younger generations dont understand because all there communication is done online via text. which is why they often get butt hurt about the tiniest little things.. its not just online though as its out in the real world to.. many of the younger people i work with cannot take a joke or bit of banter where many of the older ones will not only take the joke but roll with it and carry it on because they know it is just banter..

[Ammokkx]

I think thats tied to the internet and the fact that it replaces real communication on so many levels, so younger generations seem to have no (or at least much less) sense of empathy and language (body language, tone, manerisms) etc.. all of which can drastically change the meaning of the words used... but younger generations dont understand because all there communication is done online via text. which is why they often get butt hurt about the tiniest little things.. its not just online though as its out in the real world to.. many of the younger people i work with cannot take a joke or bit of banter where many of the older ones will not only take the joke but roll with it and carry it on because they know it is just banter..

holy generalizing batman

Not only is it that Anecdotal evidence =/= evidence of a larger trend, but saying 'younger generations cannot take a joke' is so ridiculous it's beyond compare. I haven't been out of high school for long, four years to count, and I can tell you for a fact ribbing was a constant during it. I'm not even a particularly social person, given my penchant for drowning myself in internet culture. If some antisocial nerd can shoot the shit with mates, then I'm sure the more social ones can as well.

No, all that you people are seeing is confirmation bias. You(general you, not Dzian in particular) have this idea everyone around you just cannot take a joke. Therefor, you're going to blot out every time your friend takes one of your jokes and instead focus on when the stranger didn't take so kindly to your sense of humor.

You know what is a fact? Everyone is different. That means a lot of different senses of humor too. That means that people are okay with certain kinds of ribbing, but not others... but one thing that's almost a constant is that you generally don't take shit from somebody you don't know. If you're going to be shorthanded and rude to a stranger, then I find it mightily unsurprising they'd respond to you in kind.

Instead of assuming everyone you don't know just doesn't know how to talk to people, maybe, just maybe, you could do with taking a step back and evaluating your own behaviour for a change. I'm not telling you to change- I'm enough of a rude abrasive asshole myself to have no grounds on that front- but my god, stop blaming other people for your own shortcomings.

Yes, there are massively sensitive people on the world. No, it's not a majority- you're just focusing on the really bad cases.

If you think everyone's a snowflake, the world's gonna look awfully white to you.

[Ammokkx]

Aye I miss creating a guild mocking a reg star that would never queue for ranked and turned them into meme of the server. The amount of shit they got because if this would never fly here.

Miss the days were being an asshole was just all part of being on the internet. Now people want to create some safe space of tolerance.

oh and screw this story in particular while I'm at it.

Going out of your way to bully, harass and make a public example from someone just because they enjoyed a game in a different way from you. I'm sorry, I thought we were a civilised society and not a bunch of cavemen looking to ooga booga? What even was the problem with that guy, the fact he didn't go out of his way to pick a fight with somebody?

I can get the argument of "don't change game design just to make it easier for people", I get that. But a person coming into a game, minding his own business and not harming anyone should not be mocked and bullied simply for the virtue of them ignoring a mode they don't want to engage in.

Let people enjoy videogames without mocking them for the choices they make during it, holy shit. Unless they're going out of their way to harass you or they directly sabotage you in some way, it's not up for you to decide how they enjoy their game time. Yeah, if you're running something with someone and they're not doing their job properly, call them out then. Don't bully someone just because they didn't want to compete with you on a leaderboard.

[SturmChurro]

Well, back then they would be giving as much as they got. This was PvP and PvP servers. If a player rolls on a PvP server, they should expect to PvP. Besides, when it comes to SWTOR they could just roll as a pub, if they wanted to be handheld.

[Ammokkx]

Well, back then they would be giving as much as they got. This was PvP and PvP servers. If a player rolls on a PvP server, they should expect to PvP. Besides, when it comes to SWTOR they could just roll as a pub, if they wanted to be handheld.

I don't play SWTOR and I'm never going to, either. But, and I quote, "creating a guild mocking a reg star that would never queue for ranked and turned them into meme of the server" doesn't sound like the behaviour of a well-adjusted, rational human being to me. That sounds like the behaviour of a bad person mocking another person for minding their own business.

Yes, there might be context I'm missing here, but that doesn't matter. The way Awha frames it by telling it this way is "lmao I found it funny he wouldn't Q ranked so I went out of my way to create an entire guild and turned him into the server's punching bag"

That is, in no uncertain terms, just the high school jock going out of his way to bully the nerd just because "lmao he doesn't lift bro"

Be nice to other human beings, holy shit. Start tearing into them if they're harming themselves or others, not when they're doing absolutely fucking nothing wrong.

[Awha]

Well, back then they would be giving as much as they got. This was PvP and PvP servers. If a player rolls on a PvP server, they should expect to PvP. Besides, when it comes to SWTOR they could just roll as a pub, if they wanted to be handheld.

Aye you know it. Oh remember the event on ilum? That was a blast. I miss world PvP and PvP servers.

Also for those who did not play being a reg star in tor was someone who talked a big game in regs while often queuing with a premade bragging about pug stomping but when they ran into competent players they would come up with 99 excuses as to why they lost.

This is why they became a meme because the season they did queue for team ranked they did it a wee hours and did in house matches, and did everything in their power to queue dodge the real teams.

PvP servers just a different beast others say harrassment but the reality is people got what they gave. If you were civil people were civil with ya for the most part.

[SturmChurro]

I don't play SWTOR and I'm never going to, either. But, and I quote, "creating a guild mocking a reg star that would never queue for ranked and turned them into meme of the server" doesn't sound like the behaviour of a well-adjusted, rational human being to me. That sounds like the behaviour of a bad person mocking another person for minding their own business.

Yes, there might be context I'm missing here, but that doesn't matter. The way Awha frames it by telling it this way is "lmao I found it funny he wouldn't Q ranked so I went out of my way to create an entire guild and turned him into the server's punching bag"

That is, in no uncertain terms, just the high school jock going out of his way to bully the nerd just because "lmao he doesn't lift bro"

Be nice to other human beings, holy [...]. Start tearing into them if they're harming themselves or others, not when they're doing absolutely [...] nothing wrong.

A 'reg star' in this context would be talking a ton of trash, how much "better they are" than everyone else, others "suck", etc.. but never entering ranked PvP, where they could really put their skills to the test. They wouldn't be the nerd, they would be the bully in this scenario. The school banding together to put the 'bully' in their place, is what it's more like, I'd say.

Aye you know it. Oh remember the event on ilum? That was a blast. I miss world PvP and PvP servers.

Also for those who did not play being a reg star in tor was someone who talked a big game in regs while often queuing with a premade bragging about pug stomping but when they ran into competent players they would come up with 99 excuses as to why they lost.

This is why they became a meme because the season they did queue for team ranked they did it a wee hours and did in house matches, and did everything in their power to queue dodge the real teams.

PvP servers just a different beast others say harrassment but the reality is people got what they gave. If you were civil people were civil with ya for the most part.

Oh yeah, those were such a blast. PvP at it's height. You remember Rakghoul tunnels?

It's like I was saying in a prior post. A lot here just won't understand it, especially if they haven't been a part of that kind of environment. Well, especially more so here.

[Ammokkx]

Also for those who did not play being a reg star in tor was someone who talked a big game in regs while often queuing with a premade bragging about pug stomping but when they ran into competent players they would come up with 99 excuses as to why they lost.

Okay, fair, that is an entirely different beast to how you made it sound initially. The waters are a lot more murky there, though I still very vehemently disagree with the practice of starting an entire guild just to dunk on a guy. Just meme on him normally, no need to go out of your way to make a public showcase of it.

Also, it's probably for the best you don't use game-specific lingo in the forums of other games. People can and are going to get the wrong idea, like I did just now.

[Awha]

Okay, fair, that is an entirely different beast to how you made it sound initially. The waters are a lot more murky there, though I still very vehemently disagree with the practice of starting an entire guild just to dunk on a guy. Just meme on him normally, no need to go out of your way to make a public showcase of it.

Also, it's probably for the best you don't use game-specific lingo in the forums of other games. People can and are going to get the wrong idea, like I did just now.

It is cool, I honestly do not mind if people call me an asshole or toxic. Though I will say communities were a tad smaller prior to the server merge. So even without our guild they were still a joke of the server amongst the pvp community of our server. Our guild just made it far more public.

Also in ToR especially in PvP everything was extremely transparent with the medal system and certain damage, healing, and protection bench marks people had a harder time hiding behind excuses or poor play. So unfortunately playing like shit or being an ass made was a public show case. Especially if you queue solo ranked that is thing what people consider toxic now was just normal back in the day. Hell toxic was not even used all that often if I recall.

Though I get where you are coming from.

A 'reg star' in this context would be talking a ton of trash, how much "better they are" than everyone else, others "suck", etc.. but never entering ranked PvP, where they could really put their skills to the test. They wouldn't be the nerd, they would be the bully in this scenario. The school banding together to put the 'bully' in their place, is what it's more like, I'd say.

Oh yeah, those were such a blast. PvP at it's height. You remember Rakghoul tunnels?

It's like I was saying in a prior post. A lot here just won't understand it, especially if they haven't been a part of that kind of environment. Well, especially more so here.

Oh got Rakghoul tunnel geez yeah spread the cancer around.

My favorite has to be controlling outlaws den with our guild to prevent people from getting the HK part. They had such great events and I loved how they were not shy to force Wpvp on the community if they wanted certain rewards.