Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[linayar]

I've never seen it myself in game. Then again, I rarely see most of the problems that people seem to experience in game. About the most common form of toxicity that I see in game are people arguing or being snarky in alliance chats, but fortunately, in most cases, we still clear the raid even with all the word battles going on, which actually makes it entertaining as a bystander.

[Kleeya]

You forgot to add the other part, where we live in the age where information is available at the finger tips of a person ignorance no longer becomes an excuse because it becomes a choice at that point.

In end no one really has an excuse to use I did not know at level 80 when it comes how to play their role.

FFXIV is easy enough where playing poorly is a personal choice. In the end you may be willing to look past ignorance others may not. Seem the dynamic here your standards are your own and others are there own.

Yes, because everyone on earth with no exception is aware of all the knowledge you can find in the internet.

You did never work in after-sale services right ? How can you expect someone answering "internet explorer" to the question "what computer do you have ?" to know about the existence of rotations guides about the game they are playing ? Especially if the game did never told them that a thing called "rotation" exists ?

For a lot of people internet is just for facebook, mails, and buying things on Amazon. They don't even know there is patch notes and an official forum, and even less that there is some lengthy tutorials on the mmo they launch to relax after work.

And even if they were reading them, avoiding some problems like the tutorials being outdated (not so long ago i did see someone worrying about how to get the old cross-class skills removed in 4.0) or being in a foreign language they don't understand, that doesn't mean they will succeed to play properly. They can have physical disabilities that prevents them to do so, like in this QTE event who was only asking to smash some randoms buttons during a mere ten seconds (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ore-QTE-please.). Or simply not being able to remember for long what rotation to do because (it might get as a shock to you) not everybody has a good memory.

That being said, i have great news : tiered DF already exists ! It is called PF. Open a "high dps, tank not losing aggro and using cooldowns, no zero dps healer" party, which will fill near instantly judging at the number of people complaining of underperforming players, and you are done. If you, as an invested player that know so much about the game, can not even take 10 seconds to do that, how can you expect way less invested people to spend countless hours reading guides and hitting a training dummy ?

[Awha]

Yes, because everyone on earth with no exception is aware of all the knowledge you can find in the internet.

You did never work in after-sale services right ? How can you expect someone answering "internet explorer" to the question "what computer do you have ?" to know about the existence of rotations guides about the game they are playing ? Especially if the game did never told them that a thing called "rotation" exists ?

For a lot of people internet is just for facebook, mails, and buying things on Amazon. They don't even know there is patch notes and an official forum, and even less that there is some lengthy tutorials on the mmo they launch to relax after work.

And even if they were reading them, avoiding some problems like the tutorials being outdated (not so long ago i did see someone worrying about how to get the old cross-class skills removed in 4.0) or being in a foreign language they don't understand, that doesn't mean they will succeed to play properly. They can have physical disabilities that prevents them to do so, like in this QTE event who was only asking to smash some randoms buttons during a mere ten seconds (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ore-QTE-please.). Or simply not being able to remember for long what rotation to do because (it might get as a shock to you) not everybody has a good memory.

That being said, i have great news : tiered DF already exists ! It is called PF. Open a "high dps, tank not losing aggro and using cooldowns, no zero dps healer" party, which will fill near instantly judging at the number of people complaining of underperforming players, and you are done. If you, as an invested player that know so much about the game, can not even take 10 seconds to do that, how can you expect way less invested people to spend countless hours reading guides and hitting a training dummy ?

I explained my stance in my other post. Though if they are able to log in and play an MMO I think it is not far off to assume they should know what google or your search engine of choice is. Also I never said I was in fan of a tiered system I just use the vote kick function or queue with friends.

I get my stance differs greatly but please do not miss understand me I do not expect anything per-se people are free to play how they want. If they just run into me I will try and remove them from the group since I rather not deal with it personally. The extent of my caring is more so in the realm I rather just not have to deal with it and will use the functions in the game to do just that.

Not going to lie sure I am an asshole but I honestly do not care why someone plays a certain way, the only thing I care about is that they are in fact playing a certain way. The reason is moot. Idc if their pool is on fire or they have to go afk to find a cure for cancer. (Joking examples ) it largely moot to me. I mean it is great so many people tend to think about such possibilities and I do think that is one of the factors that lends itself to such a friendly and welcoming community. I just do not fall into that camp, hell for the most part strangers to me are simply sometimes better performing trusts. :P

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yes, because everyone on earth with no exception is aware of all the knowledge you can find in the internet.

You did never work in after-sale services right ? How can you expect someone answering "internet explorer" to the question "what computer do you have ?" to know about the existence of rotations guides about the game they are playing ? Especially if the game did never told them that a thing called "rotation" exists ?

For a lot of people internet is just for facebook, mails, and buying things on Amazon. They don't even know there is patch notes and an official forum, and even less that there is some lengthy tutorials on the mmo they launch to relax after work.

And even if they were reading them, avoiding some problems like the tutorials being outdated (not so long ago i did see someone worrying about how to get the old cross-class skills removed in 4.0) or being in a foreign language they don't understand, that doesn't mean they will succeed to play properly. They can have physical disabilities that prevents them to do so, like in this QTE event who was only asking to smash some randoms buttons during a mere ten seconds (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ore-QTE-please.). Or simply not being able to remember for long what rotation to do because (it might get as a shock to you) not everybody has a good memory.

That being said, i have great news : tiered DF already exists ! It is called PF. Open a "high dps, tank not losing aggro and using cooldowns, no zero dps healer" party, which will fill near instantly judging at the number of people complaining of underperforming players, and you are done. If you, as an invested player that know so much about the game, can not even take 10 seconds to do that, how can you expect way less invested people to spend countless hours reading guides and hitting a training dummy ?

None of this changes the fact it’s a multiplayer game though and that your actions affect others. The fact of the matter is, they hinder everyone. Like i’ve said before there’s also trials with dps checks that can become a wall for people because other people don’t know their jobs well enough or don’t take the time to properly gear themselves. Sure there’s people with disabilities but please do not use that as a crutch for every single situation. Those people usually make it be known(in my experience at least) but they are far from the majority. Plus again, a lot of these situations aren’t even technically people playing badly but also just not gearing themselves or not taking advice and being hostile. That’s the problem. Instead of you actually thinking “hm, what can be done about this so people can learn their jobs?” You just want to cover it up and have the people giving actual criticism be put in their own corner. The very definition of enabling.

[Caurcas]

Some of ye have mentioned public, out of game blacklist. Funnily enough pre crossworld PF those were a thing amongst some NA servers in some circles. While those aren't innately bad, as you have to be a special kind of bad to land on one. They are however subject to manipulation, and therefore not the best solution. Furthermore, some have taken issue with my usage of "leech" and "parasite". This terms are warranted when a player gets told how to play their role and continues not do so. You are a waste of space at that point, no ifs ands or buts about it.

[Awha]

Some of ye have mentioned public, out of game blacklist. Funnily enough pre crossworld PF those were a thing amongst some NA servers in some circles. While those aren't innately bad, as you have to be a special kind of bad to land on one. They are however subject to manipulation, and therefore not the best solution. Furthermore, some have taken issue with my usage of "leech" and "parasite". This terms are warranted when a player gets told how to play their role and continues not do so. You are a waste of space at that point, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Honestly what you call the people behind their back is irrelevant. If you do not say it to their face then I see no issue with it personally.

Granted I do think people should be more transparent as to why they are removing someone from a group but the ToS makes that sort of risky so I get the silent kick mindset.

[Nethereal]

Honestly what you call the people behind their back is irrelevant. If you do not say it to their face then I see no issue with it personally.

Granted I do think people should be more transparent as to why they are removing someone from a group but the ToS makes that sort of risky so I get the silent kick mindset.

Pssh everyone I've kicked is so I can have my friend replace them, not because they're bad and losing to the limit break in damage, no... What do you think I am toxic?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Pssh everyone I've kicked is so I can have my friend replace them, not because they're bad and losing to the limit break in damage, no... What do you think I am toxic?

Is this a true story because if so...lord. I’m on ps4 but i can’t even imagine seeing that lmao.

[Nethereal]

Is this a true story because if so...lord. I’m on ps4 but i can’t even imagine seeing that lmao.

True story. It happened a lot back in alphascape savage. I only remember it happening once this expac and it's usually healers or tanks.

[Severaux_Vilauclaire]

You know, after a quick glance through this thread, I have to say: to enable someone is to ignore their toxic behavior and let it happen without repercussions. On an offline POV, you enable someone when say, they're being rude and unpleasant and you go "oh, it's just him". So I could theoretically turn the argument around and say that other MMOs enable unpleasant behavior from metric-obsessed individuals whose only measure of their self-worth lies in a DPS parser.

Basically I think the issue here is one of game culture. Do you want something more competitive that could drive away people who would otherwise pay subs? Or do you want something more inclusive that could annoy people who are more competitive? Given the way competitiveness tends to work in MMOs like WoW, I'd argue that on a profit driven basis, being friendly to the not-so-competitive casuals would make more money than just catering to people who want to be elite.

I enjoy chatting with people far more in FFXIV than I ever did in WoW, that's for sure.