Why are the savage clear rates in the JP Datacenter so much higher than NA?

[SturmChurro]

For me, it's simple. Pugging sucks, and I am too fickle anymore to really want to join a static. I'd get bored after two weeks of progging, but feel obligated to continue doing it, at the expense of my time and sanity.

[Goji1639]

That's around the point where MMO's become an actual job; with schedules, conferencing (voice chat) and all the other soul crushing obligations that make real life feel like a death march.

In NA people play games to escape that nightmare. In Asian culture, however, everything is a job.

[Novae]

^Pugging takes A LOT of enegry and I can understand why people stop after a week or two, or just a couple of attempts.
I started progging E12s very late, and I could wait 1-2 hours for a fresh group to fill up. It's just not fun and that's the main reason why I stopped there for this tier.

[Caurcas]

More like:
Aether good ^_^
Primal good ^_^
Crystal -------- Kek

It's more proof that Crystal is just a containment DC

Nah, Aether has Siren that's a Crystal server in disguise. I am sorry, I've tried to change that.

[Rita1989]

Crystal is in a weird spot that I know a large number of people that spend most of their time on the DC but specifically have 1 char to raid on Aether or Primal because of the panic when the DC was split.

If the pug scene was good as it is in JP maybe people would be more inclined to try raiding but is pretty terrible if you can't commit to a static.

[WhyAmIHere]

HighEnd content has ALWAYS been content only dedicated to a dedicated group of players. Also the problem is that half of the playerbase of this game is Japanese, so the percentage on Japanese servers is much higher.

xenophobic and wrong. 'specially the underlined.

The problem is JP will do it all, because "the devs took time to make it, we should at least try it."
Western mindsets is "I don't wanna try it so I'll make up excuses to justify why I won't do it."

More like:
Aether good ^_^
Primal good ^_^
Crystal -------- Kek

It's more proof that Crystal is just a containment DC

Wrong and dumb take.
The problem is the pool of raiders is smaller on Crystal. The bads on crystal are just as bad as the bads on primal, except anecdotally the bads on crystal will not go 0-100 when an error is called out on them.
Source: I've pugged primal and crystal and frankly I prefer the pugs on crystal... whenever there are any, that is.

[Alaray]

Would it be nice, in some cases, if the raiding population was higher? Sure. But you can find a static, a pug, for just about any turn on any DC including Ultimates. NA also has a tendency to play a lot riskier than JP, and I have a feeling the lack of utilizing macros for quick pre-pull positions and strategies intermixed with people who'll just drop from a party after a single screwup in a learning party contribute to the overall issue on some level. Becomes kind of hard to learn a fight when people rage quit after a shiva wipe in E12s when the PF listed is specifically for practicing and progging that specific mechanic. All that, and, PF can take a while to fill whereas queuing into a duty multiple people have down to reclear is, probably, faster. Are those the only reasons why JP would have a higher overall clear rate/raid participation? No, but some of it probably contributes.

But it doesn't really impact me if Chocobo has a ton of clears, Crystal tends to have the least due to new players being often pointed to it intermixed with it being predominantly a data center for RP and people pointing away from it as a place to go if you want to raid. And if people more interested in raiding content join a DC known for having a more active raiding population, the other DC's raiding populations tend to stay lower as more raid-interested players will opt for the DC with the higher population for the content they want to do. During the DC split a lot of the raiding population left to stay on Aether, usually since their statics were staying there (which was my case, initially), but I'd say the raiding population has kind of been rebuilding slowly. It's at least more active than I remember post-split on an alt looking through it.

PF is just PF at the end of the day on any DC. Aether PF can be just as messy as Crystal PF, Crystal PF can be as clean as Aether PF. One just has a smaller overall population, and tends to utilize different strategies (like how Aether seems to lean heavy towards Line Lions, while Crystal tends to lean heavily towards Billi Bili) and a big thing with the smaller population is that it generally takes a lot longer to fill a party for a fight. For statics, a lot of people really interested in high-end raiding (ie: speedkills, high logs, hardcore statics, world first groups and so on) will generally transfer where there's opportunities to do that. And in the reverse, people more interested in RP content will usually xfer eventually to Crystal if they don't have a particularly high motivation to raid.

And, the obvious thing, if the raiding population is actually smaller (or a lot newer), that'll also impact clear rates pretty heavily. But I figure that should go without saying.

I'd say a primary way to increase raid participation would be a community oriented thing to work on, providing easy to access and clear resources (which do exist, from SaltedXIV, Ahkmorning, The Balance, various content creator Discords like Momo Sama's, Rin Karigani's etc... and creating a more open space for people to ask questions, or have an easy "in" to start out with -- like Rin and Llama Todd, from what I know, tend to host a number of learning parties here and there to help people get into raiding, and pretty much any high end raider who makes video content, or guide content in general, tend to be more eager to answer questions and so on. Back in StB I know a lot of streamers -- at least -- tended to join clear parties to help out and provide information if asked/be that little extra edge to help push an otherwise capable group over the line which, sort of by proxy, provided the same advice to anyone watching them who might have an interest in the content and are checking it out that via their stream first).

But it's not a catch all, really. At least, that's my actual opinion if the thread's supposed to actually generate thoughtful conversation about the subject.

I mean, when I xferred back to Crystal I somehow shitposted my way into a TEA fresh prog pug for fun and, within half a lockout, we saw LL enrage. That's anecdotal and personal experience, but it does kinda stick with me a bit. Made me want to go back in, or at least do Ultimates in general, but I just tend to be a bit on the shier side so I haven't really committed to looking for a group.

Though, just posting graphs repeatedly and adding nothing isn't a conversation, or insightful. Kinda why I figure this is all just a troll, but I don't know, it's a topic I do somewhat think about from time to time and is kind of worth discussing. At least, more worth discussing than idk, Viera hats again.

[MPK]

Wrong and dumb take.
The problem is the pool of raiders is smaller on Crystal. The bads on crystal are just as bad as the bads on primal, except anecdotally the bads on crystal will not go 0-100 when an error is called out on them.
Source: I've pugged primal and crystal and frankly I prefer the pugs on crystal... whenever there are any, that is.

Never said that raider on crystal are bad. It's just pretty clear that crystal cares more about other "content".

Guess which one of this is Crystal and which one is Gaia


Hint: Obviously there's a very strong correlation between the amount of Lalafells and total savage clears

[Ilenya]

Graphs without useful labels aren't that helpful...

[Enla]

Crystal's only in a bad spot because the vast majority of our raiders jumped ship with the data center split., Which is then exasperated by the continued perception that people here can't do the content so most raiders don't actually create characters anymore. It's essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That said I'm pretty happy with how chill the data center happens to be. It's not hard to find people who want to do high end content and most people doing it tend to just vibe and be pretty chill all things considered.