Bozjan - ready to rage quit

[CKNovel]

And next year when no one is running these new players are just screwed?

I haven't seen them or did the content, but Eureka is still played and you can get a clear today, despite Baldesion having... No rewards?
Castrum has many glams. Delubrum has mount, hairstyle, is a relic step and you can farm coins for more glam.

And Bozja 5.55 will add new actions that will surely ease Castrum and Delubrum.
As for Bozja 5.55 version of Castrum... See Baldesion.

And SQEX can still had new ways to get the items. Like how they did instead of running CT/Mhach/Ivalice raids.

[ReynTime]

Eureka was always required in order to complete the relic. You couldn't do a single step of the stormblood relic without doing eureka.


Also, it's an MMO, almost all of the content is group content...

99% of XIV up til that point is solo play or duty finder with randoms the game fetches for you to play in the instance for 20 or less minutes. Savage and above is the only time when you actually need to put effort into forming a group on your own. The complaints about how Bozja forces you to do the old-fashioned way are very much justified. Not to mention it feels like an overworld grind in a game that taught you, until then, that overworld is dealt with solo.

I haven't seen them or did the content, but Eureka is still played and you can get a clear today, despite Baldesion having... No rewards?
Castrum has many glams. Delubrum has mount, hairstyle, is a relic step and you can farm coins for more glam.

And Bozja 5.55 will add new actions that will surely ease Castrum and Delubrum.
As for Bozja 5.55 version of Castrum... See Baldesion.

And SQEX can still had new ways to get the items. Like how they did instead of running CT/Mhach/Ivalice raids.

Baldesion's rewards are very valuable to this day. That's why people still run it.

[TaleraRistain]

Too late.
SQEX has already stated that they're happy with the way Bozja has turned out, and that the content has been more populated than they'd surmised.

Is that Bozja itself or their completion numbers on relics? Bozja is not a bad idea on its own. If it's Bozja itself, then maybe that will let them see that they can let these zones stand on their own if they just make them engaging enough to interact with. Then they won't have to artificially prop them up by tying the casual endgame weapon to them.

[Vahlnir]

Is that Bozja itself or their completion numbers on relics? Bozja is not a bad idea on its own. If it's Bozja itself, then maybe that will let them see that they can let these zones stand on their own if they just make them engaging enough to interact with. Then they won't have to artificially prop them up by tying the casual endgame weapon to them.

They sort of forced anyone wishing to complete a relic into Bozja so I think the numbers are...questionable when it comes to whether the player base actually enjoyed it or not. This was their way to inflate the numbers and say "See? They love it!". Just about every MMO does this to some degree though, as dirty of a tactic as it may be sometimes. Heavy traffic = success = more content like it. That's just the way it goes.

[Duskane]

I don’t think PotD is the best way to get the last part of the relic done. DR takes about 40 minutes at most, has coins, and gives I think over 10k mettle. There is also a weekly quest that gives 3 gold coins and mettle. DR also has a hairstyle and mount. Although, neither has dropped for me. I agree the rewards in DR should be more than what it is, but I don’t agree PotD is faster. So far it’s been 5 minutes of queue time for DR for me.

PotD is the best method with a premade group going above floor 120
did floor 50-200 in one afternoon and i got 11 Timeworn Artifact
Potd floors take 20-30 minutes early on and about 40 minutes for some of the later ones
DR can take up to an hour if people are not using lost actions,10k mettle is only from the weekly quest ,the gold coins are hardly a bonus when you can only buy the armor with them.
its very easy to get i510 and even i520 gear now hardly worth it outside of the glam.

[hobostew]

I've only twice had a run take less than 40 minutes so I'm guessing you're either having really good luck or losing track of time. The last several times I went in there about half the raid was doing less than 5k DPS which implied they were mostly just hitting a random ability every now and again to look busy. Leeches. They can do this because rather than just make it an alliance raid (which is very well is anyway) they tried to reinvent the wheel and created a situation where people can leech because you can't remove them from the instance even if you want to. I'm sure we all love the new innovative approach where you can't easily target other groups in this totally not an alliance raid amirite. Such great design. Massively HP bloated bosses because people will surely use the essences to have an easier time, right? You can't even get people to use MATERIA and the game showers you with the stuff.

It isn't even the first time the community has behaved like this either so there is less excuse for SE to make this mistake yet again. Yet here we are.

And lets not pretend you guys wouldn't have been perfectly ok with a Bozja themed alliance raid because for as much as you whine about fates you seem perfectly fine with a new zones where you grind the things.

[Arkevorkhat]

Saying "lfg" does work, but you don't really need a party until there is a CE. When there is a CE you can do /say lfg. A lot of parties stay formed after that and do skirmishes together.*snip*

There's a big issue with that: Skirmishes are built on top of the FATE system, and one of the long-standing problems with FATEs is that if a plurality of the players engaging in a FATE are in parties, it's impossible for a single player to obtain gold ranking on that FATE. Even if they are, as a DPS, at the top of the chart, there is no way to generate enough progress on one's own to get a reasonable reward from the content.

[Vahlnir]

There's a big issue with that: Skirmishes are built on top of the FATE system, and one of the long-standing problems with FATEs is that if a plurality of the players engaging in a FATE are in parties, it's impossible for a single player to obtain gold ranking on that FATE. Even if they are, as a DPS, at the top of the chart, there is no way to generate enough progress on one's own to get a reasonable reward from the content.

It's much easier for tanks to manage it solo, but in Bozja there is never a guarantee if the zone is full.

[Arkevorkhat]

It's much easier for tanks to manage it solo, but in Bozja there is never a guarantee if the zone is full.

For once, I find myself agreeing with you.

FATEs, and by extension Bozja, are a place in FF14 where not all jobs are created equal.
DPS, and to a lesser extent healers, are just not going to be able to do as well as tanks are, just because of the particular metrics used to generate progress.
Tanks are rewarded for generating enmity, healers are rewarded for healing, and DPS are awarded for doing damage, but the scaling factors used are way out of wack.

Tanks generate SO MUCH AGGRO, and that high generation is paired with a heavy weight on those points of enmity.
Healers seem to be scaled such that they're expected to be healing the entire FATE, and DPS have to be doing a high percentage of all the damage done to FATE targets in order to get a solo gold.

[gtavaddict]

Not to mention the stupid fates chase, people scatter all over the place pulling fates while others have a hard time reaching before it’s dead! Why can’t they wait a little for others to reach? That s utterly stupid imo.