So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Enla]

Not to mention there are people who play this game with disabilities who /can't/ perform at the same level even if they might want to. When I was at my worst I had to actively avoid anything beyond casual dungeon and trial grinding because my hands were so stiff and shaky that even healing was a challenge. No matter how much I might have wanted to Extreme farm I physically could not do it without sacrificing optimal play. Thus I kept myself in my 'lane' so to say, so that I could enjoy the game without bringing other people's enjoyment down in any large way. Even today when I'm capable of progging Savage I found a casual static that was comfortable with my healing capabilities and forgiving of my mostly green sometimes grey DPS parses. And I don't prog with pugs to keep myself from holding other random people back if I'm having a bad pain day.

Remember, your 'best' isn't always the best that other people can provide. This game isn't a job and people who are disabled especially shouldn't have to feel like they're holding people back in casual content just because they aren't clearing it fast enough for your liking. If it's Extreme or higher, yes, some level of optimal play is expected. But dungeons? I give it my all to be polite but I'm not going to sweat it if someone else can't.

[Kaurhz]

I feel they should be allowed given the core focus of any given encounter is the damage output, well, for encounters that have enrages.

That being said, whilst I do support their implementation, I do however only think the output damage you can view should be your own, considering the general inability of the community to accept people falling below whatever arbitrary standard they want to impose without otherwise throwing a condescending attitude around.

In fact, I would go as far as to say it should be outright supported as a native feature with a function that rates your performance but only if they're going to equally start showing some fortitude against third-party usage.

[VelKallor]

Remember, your 'best' isn't always the best that other people can provide. This game isn't a job and people who are disabled especially shouldn't have to feel like they're holding people back in casual content just because they aren't clearing it fast enough for your liking.

THIS.

I know as I helped a mate with some physical disabilities. He was hounded out of WOW.

This is a game not a job, and I agree 100% with the stance that we dont use dps meters. They arent needed, they arent necessary, and regardless of the motives some people have, I know for a fact that were they to be enabled, within a day you'd have "that guy" spamming dps meters in Sastasha.

No thanks.

[Callinon]

THIS.

I know as I helped a mate with some physical disabilities. He was hounded out of WOW.

This is a game not a job, and I agree 100% with the stance that we dont use dps meters. They arent needed, they arent necessary, and regardless of the motives some people have, I know for a fact that were they to be enabled, within a day you'd have "that guy" spamming dps meters in Sastasha.

No thanks.

Do we really have to keep going with this necro'd necro'd thread? (It's been necro'd twice now... presumably by the same guy)

Jerks existing is not a reason to deny people the use of a tool.

[Enla]

Do we really have to keep going with this necro'd necro'd thread? (It's been necro'd twice now... presumably by the same guy)

Jerks existing is not a reason to deny people the use of a tool.

I don't think they're arguing that, or at the very least I wasn't. My response was due to the discussion on the last page about 'toxic casuals'.

[ForctyusGold]

At least in low level story dungeons. It's getting old.

I've been doing the main story as a healer, to avoid queue's, and I can think of at least 5 times off the top of my head where 1 DPS started harassing a sprout DPS over the dumb meter. These are like 40's normal story dungeons; never had any issues clearing them. It's stupid, and I actually want to defend the newbie, but I play on PS4 so it's almost impossible to actually converse in chat AND do your job. I usually just give the new player a commendation at the end, since it might make them feel better about it.

Of course, since I'm a diva, the last straw before I came here to whine on the forums about it was when it happened to me. I decided to queue as a Samurai for my first run of a story dungeon, and at the first boss I died to a mechanic. Unfortunate, but hey, that's why everyone gets a bonus for running with my newbie ass. Of course after the fight, right on queue, the other DPS goes off when his meter tells him I did less DPS than the healer; apparently he was so focused on the meter he didn't realize I died. Actually explaining it to him in chat wasn't an option (again, PS4), so I basically got to listen to crap about how I must've bought my character right up until the next boss, where my damage was fine; which eventually shut him up.

Anyways, garbage communities and things like damage meters just don't mix well. I understand them for personal use and progression stuff, but any mention of your dumb little meters in a random MSQ dungeon should be bannable.

you can attach keyboard to ps4 and type, i dont know what you mean about ps4 and typing, i guess ppl on pc cant play and type at the same time....
however, just report them. im glad i didnt get such sort of people in my years

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

This thread is pretty much answered within first 5 posts.

[Ralph2449]

Jerks existing is not a reason to deny people the use of a tool.

A tool that is not needed nor required, because the WoW community made it mandatory it doesnt mean it is needed.

This is coming from someone who gets a lot of enjoyment out of dps meters in any game, it is good thing that the dps meters are banned the way they are because what actually gets you banned is talking about them, if someone used a dps meter yet never spoke about it and just used it to personally see if he is doing well then SE cant really do anything about it since they dont have a way of detecting it.

The "Jerks" are the ones who would start linking dps meters and attacking others which thankfully is a very bannable offense here.

[VelKallor]

Jerks existing is not a reason to deny people the use of a tool.

A 'tool" that has been demonstrated to be open to rampant abuse and misuse.

Again.

NO.

[Liam_Harper]

This is more true for SAM players than anyone else, you better be damn near the top of the charts or you're just wasting space.

Even that attitude is one reason dps meters aren't allowed. Most of us don't mind one bit if the SAM dies 5 times, muddles their rotation or isn't familiar with the toolkit or rotation yet. What's important is they they're willing to learn, open to advice and trying their best. It's not a high standard, but that player has potential to be a good member of any team.

Skill level varies by player too. A moderate SAM will do less rdps than a highly skilled Dancer. But if the SAM is consistent, dodges mechanics and their damage is more than needed, it's plenty.

But let's say a SAM player is having trouble, how is your group or FC supposed to go about helping you?

Definitely agree on that. The fact that offering friendly advice and indepth help to players who might appreciate it is actively avoided like the plague because it could net you a ban, is a big issue with the game. Even on content where it would be valuable, like Savage, it's a potential ban.

Dps meters should be allowed, while abuse or insults over dps should be what's banned. The toxicity still exists, or is even created in other less visible ways. It's perfectly within rules to simply disband a party, ditch a group with a problem player or boot an underperformer without a word. But helping them is not allowed.