Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Shofie]

It's truly not; people who play MMOs play MMOs, you've just gotten lucky and had good run-ins with players. It's literally the same in any MMO. Eventually the playerbase moves to new games, and then the rude people become significantly more noticeable.

[Ralph2449]

It's literally the same in any MMO. Eventually the playerbase moves to new games, and then the rude people become significantly more noticeable.

That is a point that was brought up before, thing is unlike the average western mmos like WoW where toxicity and attacks are normalized so people with standards leave for something else leaving only the more toxic people around to make the community even worse, in FF14 that doesnt really fly because reports will give the people who are used to that kind of behavior a strike really fast, meaning it is a safer place for people who dont tolerate a negative environment and thus far friendlier.

I ve been playing on a JP dc and all groups i ve been including extremes via DF were really nice, if someone was unaware of a mechanic someone including me at times would say how it worked in either English or Japanese(Google translate ftw), nobody attacked anyone directly which is the norm in WoW, the worst case scenario is if we see all see the group is not up to the task we just vote to abandon after a while, no insults, no fights, no drama, coming from WoW this is honestly beautiful.

[SugarPuff]

I don't know anything about WOW but I've definitely encountered some immature players in FFXIV. It's not the way things usually go but I've experienced everything from a random person running over to use emotes to simulate certain x-rated acts on my character in town, completely unsolicited, to people raging in the duty finder.

One difference I've noticed is that our zone chat is generally pretty "clean" compared to ESO which is the only other MMO I play. Another is that people are more likely to offer help here in FFXIV. Not to say they're unwilling in ESO but you have to ask. For some reason the community here is more loquacious, in general. Only very, very rarely does a stranger start up a conversation with me in ESO while we're doing something in the same area.

Sorry, I'll stop now because I know this was specifically about WOW and I got carried away about the comparison to ESO.

[Jirah]

Theres a dude in here somewhere with the Sig: Wow has toxic Elitism, FF14 has toxic casualism or some crap and its essentially defines both games.

Also if you wanna be proven wrong just look at all these ppl fanning the flames of hatred lmao. Its a MMo and with every large community there will be punks but it shouldnt gloss your whole experience

[Penthea]

Wow has toxic Elitism, FF14 has toxic casualism

Honestly I rarely encounter "toxic casualism". Every game has players like that. In my experience FFXIV isn't riddled with them. Though I do avoid pugging anything above normal whenever possible so perhaps this is why I don't often see it. But then again...WoW has that problem too in high end content pugging so it's not something one game has that the other has not.

[Ralph2449]

Theres a dude in here somewhere with the Sig: Wow has toxic Elitism, FF14 has toxic casualism

Honestly when I see people using the term "toxic casualism" I actually feel happy and hopeful for the game because at the end of the day it is just a video game meant to be fun, toxic casualism means that attempts from the "elitists" to tell people how to play and push their performance gogogo based attitude are met with very negative reactions so unlike WoW they cant turn or shape this game into an elitist tryhard mess because people recognize what they are trying to do and shut them off.

[Liam_Harper]

Honestly when I see people using the term "toxic casualism" I actually feel happy and hopeful for the game because at the end of the day it is just a video game meant to be fun, toxic casualism means that attempts from the "elitists" to tell people how to play and push their performance gogogo based attitude are met with very negative reactions so unlike WoW they cant turn or shape this game into an elitist tryhard mess because people recognize what they are trying to do and shut them off.

Fun is subjective.

For many players the fun in MMO instances is in the fact that a lot of content is a team based activity that you get through together as a group. Working together with people to beat content is fun for them. Toxic elitism is expecting high end performance in casual content, which is unnecessary. Mistakes, deaths, wipes and learning is fine if someone is trying. However, "toxic casualism" is where one players comes in and works against the team, say an Ice mage with gear 50ilv too low and reacts aggressively towards tips because not bothering is more "fun" for them. In this case one person is disregarding the overall experience and fun for 3-7 other people playing the game as intended, to prioritize their own fun. Sort of like joining football team and insisting on using a tennis racquet because it's just a game and it's meant to be fun.

This selfish attitude and feeling of entitlement to having everything their way and being carried, regardless of others, is unique to the western playerbase. It is not the sort of behavior things like parser bans were designed for. In Japan it's simply their culture to contribute to their groups and at least try, which is why things like Duty Finder Savage works there. Over here many people don't care and take the lack of performance tools as encouragement to simply not bother playing properly.

[JisKing98]

Mature? sure for like 5 minutes then their toxicity starts creeping out. At that point, you might as well leave. You're going to see it in any FC you join, group you join, duty finder, hell you even see it in the hubs.

[Juzjuzz]

Idiots are everywere, smart ppl can become an idiot at any moment and vice versa. FFXIV doesn't change that, saying " FFXIV is better than WOW " is useless.
And i'm sure a lot of ppl who talk about maturity don't know what it means or will get tunnel vision when something doesnt go their way.

[Fluxating]

Honestly when I see people using the term "toxic casualism" I actually feel happy and hopeful for the game because at the end of the day it is just a video game meant to be fun, toxic casualism means that attempts from the "elitists" to tell people how to play and push their performance gogogo based attitude are met with very negative reactions so unlike WoW they cant turn or shape this game into an elitist tryhard mess because people recognize what they are trying to do and shut them off.

There's nothing "Elitist" about expecting people going into content designed for a certain skill level to be able to meet that level. A tank or healer not knowing how to play their job properly, that's probably a wipe. A DPS not pulling thier weight due to not knowing how their job plays? Not likely to pass that DPS check, resulting in a wipe. Messing up and making a mistake is fine but going into, say, a savage encounter without a basic understanding of what that entails, with no knowledge of your job and unwillingness to learn, instead just complaining and blaming everyone but yourself and expecting to be carried? That's selfish, entitled and actively wasting the time of 7 other players. That's "toxic casualism".

I would never join a clear party for a fight I haven't at least practiced beforehand on Summoner, a job I never play outside of leveing it, but plently of people do. A lot.

Saying it's "just a video game meant to be fun" is hypocritical as you're denying others legitimate idea of fun, in this case working together as a group to overcome a difficult encounter, to justify you own opinions. People are allowed to play the game how they want, but if you waste the time of others by going into content you are not prepared for or willing to learn, they are within their right to tell you to sling your hook.