Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[GlareMage]

Some sacrifices are to be made for the betterment of all.

And how is ridding them the 'betterment of all'? How do brothels directly affect you? And not just your morals, but you directly. What makes it that you can't just blacklist/ignore and move on with your day?

[MagicAura]

And how is ridding them the 'betterment of all'? How do brothels directly affect you? And not just your morals, but you directly. What makes it that you can't just blacklist/ignore and move on with your day?

Ah but they want to save us with fervour and total abandonment in search for some elusive imaginary heaven at the end of the path. I don't want to be saved by anyone. I want people to be free and people not to enforce their subjective beliefs and morals to people who don't want to accept them.

[TheRedChameleon]

I'm at an absolute loss as to the justification here, in what way could the "Other" tab be used for "clearing content" that isn't fulfilled by another classification in the party finder? It's also by no means clogging up the PF as anything in the "Other" category is relegated to the very bottom of the list.

Also, Fellowships? Really? Fellowships are TERRIBLE for organizing pop-up, casual RP events and are incredibly limited as to how many a single person can join.

[Aslae]

I'm at an absolute loss as to the justification here, in what way could the "Other" tab be used for "clearing content" that isn't fulfilled by another classification in the party finder? It's also by no means clogging up the PF as anything in the "Other" category is relegated to the very bottom of the list.

Also, Fellowships? Really? Fellowships are TERRIBLE for organizing pop-up, casual RP events and are incredibly limited as to how many a single person can join.

oh but don't forget we can "Shout in populated areas" to advertise. >.>

[Nakarumi]

I'm at an absolute loss as to the justification here, in what way could the "Other" tab be used for "clearing content" that isn't fulfilled by another classification in the party finder? It's also by no means clogging up the PF as anything in the "Other" category is relegated to the very bottom of the list.

Also, Fellowships? Really? Fellowships are TERRIBLE for organizing pop-up, casual RP events and are incredibly limited as to how many a single person can join.

Very good point. I forgot to add this to my list of reasons why the alternates are not applicable.

I'm going to add this, if you don't mind, to the OP.

[van_arn]

And how is ridding them the 'betterment of all'? How do brothels directly affect you? And not just your morals, but you directly. What makes it that you can't just blacklist/ignore and move on with your day?

I don’t have any particular morals. I only realized how useless the erp ads were making pf back when I was watching it for hours for blu content. I’ve certainly had a giggle over some of the more “wtf” posts, though.

I did try blacklisting, but as I said— my entire blist filled up with erpers. Perhaps if I could personally call forth an erp calamity for the glory of Lord Zodiark I’d happily do so, but this is the next best thing.

I will say, though, it’s not a good look for the game to have a pf with 2/5 erp ads, 1/5 runsellers, 1/5 “pls give attention”, and 1/5 content though.

It’s like trying to run adult ads on a website. It drives away more... respectable clientele.

[Kaurhz]

While I can agree with that, in general, I also do think that selling clear/loot runs for in-game currency is really no different than selling gears/food/potions/leveling kits/etc.

If the game allows for player trading/economy, then any in-game business is legitimate unless the product/service being sold is a violation, and helping someone clear content/get loot is the opposite of a violation in an MMO. An in-game business transaction in such a case would just be part of the social aspect of the game.

There's a clear difference between selling content, and selling consumables, gear, etc, etc. Is that selling content not only undermines those that have cleared it and their sense of achievement, but also those that bought the content then have a serious false sense of achievement. Granted this is largely on a matter of principle than anything else. But I would stand to argue if any 'investigation' were carried out you could at some point find out that 90% of them are in violation of ToS.

Whilst I am inclined to agree on this point, I will mention that going by this selfsame reasoning, then purchasing and selling housing was always completely legitimate and therefore any reworks were not even necessary because it is just an in-game transaction that encompasses the social aspect of the game.

Either way, not even that relevant to the thread so I will halt this topic here and outline a point on topic; there's a reason why fellowship finder exists. Granted, it could use some expanding upon. But the point that there are people advertising for stuff that would be considered NSFW. Not something people take pleasure in when all they want to do is search for a party to clear content.

[Aslae]

[QUOTE=van_arn;5511020]I don’t have any particular morals. I only realized how useless the erp ads were making pf back when I was watching it for hours for blu content. I’ve certainly had a giggle over some of the more “wtf” posts, though.

How exactly do the erp add's make pf useless? Unless I severely understand how pf works, putting up an ad for something doesn't inhibit something else from showing up? How does an ERP add prevent a blu mage pf from showing up?

[Airyll]

oh but don't forget we can "Shout in populated areas" to advertise. >.>

Yeah, and then you get reported for "spam" by the people who really utterly hate roleplay and loathe seeing even a single shout interrupting their precious Limsa memeposting.

Honestly my biggest problem with this entire farce is the fact that there's no consistency in the enforcement of this "new" rule. It seems to be one individual GM (which is already suspicious enough, frankly, when out of a team there's only one individual ever going out of their way to pick out specific community members for punishment) who has either misinterpreted something or has a genuine bone to pick with a specific section of the community. Now, if this same individual had approached any of the ridiculous AFK club PFs, or any of the raid sellers who willingly misuse PF and advertise in the wrong sections intentionally, I'd be far more forgiving. (I also don't really deny that public adverts for 18+ venues can't really be tolerated in a game whose legal rating is lower than that and I could understand it to a smaller degree if it was only 18+ venues being targeted.)

But... they don't. They haven't. Arguably worse abuse of the PF, where people are clearly falsely advertising things in the wrong sections for the explicit purpose of pushing down legitimate PF requests, are just left alone to sit there. Yet apparently it is the roleplayers who are wrong.

[Risvertasashi]

So RMT run selling in PF is OK even thought they make sure they're at the top of the list by abusing classifications, but SE is banning RPers now for using the "Other" category?

My respect for SE just went through the floor.

Obviously, we are currently at an impasse and we're not sure if this is a misunderstanding by the one GM displayed in the above screenshots or if we need to have a conversation with the policy writers to find a more feasible means of clarifying policy or if another tab/category/feature can be added to accommodate for the massive RP community that exists within the realm of FFXIV.

Please comment and share your own experiences with this example/situation. Constructive suggestions welcome~

Hopefully, LGM Enkrateia will arrive and clarify things. Hopefully, this is just a GM getting a little too big for his britches, but if it's not, at least we'd have clarification from the top...