Yoshi P confirmed they CUT ultimate content from 6.0 not DELAY

[MPK]

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...to-ps5-4123752

TR: For Endwalker, are there plans to have 2 or 3 Ultimates across the expansion in its entirety. Following the announcement of no further Ultimates in Shadowbringers, are some of these ideas being saved for the final expansion in the Scion storyline?

Yoshida: "At this present point in time I’d like to have 2 Ultimates but I’m unable to provide a clear answer as we’re currently reviewing the schedule for the 6.X series."

Instead of adding more challenging battle content they decided to add farmville into ffxiv. Great job Square!

[ForteNightshade]

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

[SturmChurro]

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

Yeah, if there aren't 3 coming out in EW, then it sounds like they have already decided to exclude one ultimate. I wonder what kind of "content" they are going to work on instead?

[Seraphor]

Yeah, if there aren't 3 coming out in EW, then it sounds like they have already decided to exclude one ultimate. I wonder what kind of "content" they are going to work on instead?

There wont be anything else 'instead'. Of course it ultimately means there's less content, that's what Delays do, they push everything back, so within a certain time frame you have less that there would have been.
These little "gotcha" comments are pretty pathetic. "Ahah! you said 'delay' but actually it means 'cut' which is totally different and therefore you lied. Gotcha!"

This isn't even a 'game development' thing specifically. Anyone who has ever worked on a large scale project, or had to professionally deliver a product in a certain time frame will understand this. Y'all need to grow up.
They're likely constrained by budgets and management choices, and nothing they do to make up for that is going to 'replace' the content lost from this delay.
They could go out of their way to work harder and provide more, like they did with Viera/Hrothgar hats, but Japanese work ethic being what it is, I'd hope they don't kill themselves trying.

[SturmChurro]

There wont be anything else 'instead'. Of course it ultimately means there's less content, that's what Delays do, they push everything back, so within a certain time frame you have less that there would have been.
These little "gotcha" comments are pretty pathetic. "Ahah! you said 'delay' but actually it means 'cut' which is totally different and therefore you lied. Gotcha!"

This isn't even a 'game development' thing specifically. Anyone who has ever worked on a large scale project, or had to professionally deliver a product in a certain time frame will understand this. Y'all need to grow up.
They're likely constrained by budgets and management choices, and nothing they do to make up for that is going to 'replace' the content lost from this delay.
They could go out of their way to work harder and provide more, like they did with Viera/Hrothgar hats, but Japanese work ethic being what it is, I'd hope they don't kill themselves trying.

No, it quite literally means one is cut. If one of the two EW ultimates is a delayed ShB ultimate that is at least 70% done (at this moment - this many months before EW), then where is the third ultimate (rather the second EW ultimate)? If only two are coming out one was cut, and the resources are being allocated elsewhere.

[ItMe]

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

I wonder how much of that is logistic and developmental concerns, and how much of it is just the fact that none of the, like, 3 people that can make ultimate raids likes or wants to work on Ultimates.

[SnowVix]

I wonder how much of that is logistic and developmental concerns, and how much of it is just the fact that none of the, like, 3 people that can make ultimate raids likes or wants to work on Ultimates.

i love ultimates. i love the work i've put in on progging TEA, i love the night i joined an O4S clear party and we all said, "h*ck it, let's just jump in to UCoB" and had an absolute blast trying to get through Twintania phase. but if the people working on them hate doing it, they will suffer and i'm not sure they'll end up as enjoyable.

[ItMe]

i love ultimates. i love the work i've put in on progging TEA, i love the night i joined an O4S clear party and we all said, "h*ck it, let's just jump in to UCoB" and had an absolute blast trying to get through Twintania phase. but if the people working on them hate doing it, they will suffer and i'm not sure they'll end up as enjoyable.

I agree.
I hope they find a more enjoyable way to develop them.
As I understand it a lot of their frustrations come from incredible pressure to make raids as perfect as possible.
Not only are they very very looked forward to, but also because they're so highly tuned any hiccup can just amount to a disaster (which is why even if a job has problems they don't do hot fixes before an Ult drops.)
The pressure they face to really deliver with this content is just too great.

[linayar]

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

Yoshida not sounding confident is proof that Ultimate isn't planned that far in advance. Therefore, there is no particular originally-slated-for-6.1 Ultimate that was cancelled. They focused on making DSW, but it got delayed, and they haven't finalized plans for the next Ultimate. Ultimate is a big enough project to focus one at a time.

And even if they do plan that far in advance, all it means is every Ultimate release date has been shifted. So again, there is no confirmation of any cut Ultimate.

[Absurdity]

And even if they do plan that far in advance, all it means is every Ultimate release date has been shifted. So again, there is no confirmation of any cut Ultimate.

At that point we're really just arguing semantics.

Sure you could say that "no ultimate was cancelled, it's just delayed to 6.1 and then the Ultimate for 6.5 is delayed to 7.1 and the ultimate for 7.5 is delayed to 8.1"...etc

Or we can just admit that they cancelled an ultimate because if we continue to play the delay game then we'll reach the end of XIV's lifespan at some point. Do we really need to wait until they delay the ultimate for 11.5 to 12.1, which will never exist, to admit to the obvious?

It doesn't matter what you think about ultimate, or any "delayed" content for that matter. Love it, hate it, be indifferent about it, I don't care, but let's stop using "it's only delayed" for content that just doesn't get delivered.



Ultimate is content that only very few people do, that's no surprise considering most of XIV's playerbase is not interested in difficult content. But would you make the same excuses if they delayed the 5.5 24man to 6.1 or the new Bozja zone to 6.1, to then make a vague statement about there being maybe 3 24man raids in Endwalker?