Alliance raids have no business being a relic step.

[SturmChurro]

I am being told Castrum is now the more efficient method of getting memories. I'm gonna try my hand at it later. Not really looking forward to sitting in there for an hour waiting for a castrum pop, if I join at a bad time, though.

Pretty much. The DR drop rates could definitely be buffed. In my 49 runs(according to the achievement at least), I have gotten 3-4 of each of the miniatures, 1 mount(kept it for myself), 1 hair(sold it for 14 mil), 3 Orchestrion rolls(1 was a duplicate so threw it on the marker - don't think it sold yet since that was earlier today), and a bunch of(probably 30-ish each) field notes and fragments. There is still one Orchestrion roll I need(The Queen Awakens), and another hair for myself to keep, but I feel with the drop rate I should get them in the time it takes me to get the remaining pieces I'm missing for relics(sitting at 30 in my saddlebags, and another 3 on me)

The drop rate is straight up trash. I've cleared it 37 times, I have not once gotten a hair, a mount, or a barding. I have gotten several duplicate decor, a few orchestrion roles, and a lot of field note. Oh, and I did get like 4 or 5 gold coins in my runs. Nothing I really wanted though. Hopefully the next 15 for RDM give me something I want..

[Avatre]

I am being told Castrum is now the more efficient method of getting memories. I'm gonna try my hand at it later. Not really looking forward to sitting in there for an hour waiting for a castrum pop, if I join at a bad time, though.

The drop rate is straight up trash. I've cleared it 37 times, I have not once gotten a hair, a mount, or a barding. I have gotten several duplicate decor, a few orchestrion roles, and a lot of field note. Oh, and I did get like 4 or 5 gold coins in my runs. Nothing I really wanted though. Hopefully the next 15 for RDM give me something I want..

I finally got my 50 run achievement just now, and got The Queen Awakes roll(finally!) still no barding(completely forgot there is one that drops there), and still need one more hair for myself. It really does need a 5% boost to drop rates(most of them are probably already at 1-5% drop rate as is)

[Liam_Harper]

The drop rate is straight up trash. I've cleared it 37 times, I have not once gotten a hair, a mount, or a barding. I have gotten several duplicate decor, a few orchestrion roles, and a lot of field note. Oh, and I did get like 4 or 5 gold coins in my runs. Nothing I really wanted though. Hopefully the next 15 for RDM give me something I want..

I can get having a few rare rewards, but I don't understand why they're so stingy on everything else. Silver Coins just aren't enough of a reward to make it feel worth your while and have very limited use. You don't get mettle, tomes or exp and you get a pittance in fragments. Fragments especially I don't understand when the whole instance is designed around us using them, yet you can go an entire run and end up with none. We should be getting several per boss at the least.

I know we like to joke about glamour being the "true endgame" but Enix time and time again overestimate how much we care about it. This was a big reason Castrum died, because they honestly thought 500-1000 coins for a 495 glamour item would be enough to make us spam it 50 times.

[ForteNightshade]

I can get having a few rare rewards, but I don't understand why they're so stingy on everything else. Silver Coins just aren't enough of a reward to make it feel worth your while and have very limited use. You don't get mettle, tomes or exp and you get a pittance in fragments. Fragments especially I don't understand when the whole instance is designed around us using them, yet you can go an entire run and end up with none. We should be getting several per boss at the least.

I know we like to joke about glamour being the "true endgame" but Enix time and time again overestimate how much we care about it. This was a big reason Castrum died, because they honestly thought 500-1000 coins for a 495 glamour item would be enough to make us spam it 50 times.

I hate to be cynical, however I suspect it's because they know very little in the way of new content is coming. Therefore, they're arbitrarily trying to prolong the lifespan, especially for players who return to the game as Endwalker looms closer.

Ironically, I think such stinginess actually has the opposite effect. We're seeing that with just how many people won't use Essences/Lost Actions in DRN. No really incentive to when you'll have to farm boring trash in Bozja or throw heaps of gil at the MB. It really is quite baffling because they don't seem to care that things like endgame crafted gear is both readily available and easy to make. You'd think they would want to dump fragments on you as a way of screaming "TRY OUT THESE CRAZY BUILDS!" But that goes back my initial argument.

[Arkevorkhat]

I hate to be cynical, however I suspect it's because they know very little in the way of new content is coming. Therefore, they're arbitrarily trying to prolong the lifespan, especially for players who return to the game as Endwalker looms closer.

Honestly, I'd be inclined to say that such "cynicism" is warranted, after all, SE is responsible to their shareholders above all else. The issue is that they failed to account for the precedent they've set with previous content; generally, the rewards from a duty are fairly closely tied to the difficulty of that duty. I'd place DR at about the same difficulty level as Emerald Extreme, but where EmEX gave both a mount and semi-casual players' BiS weapons, DR gives some zhuzhed up Exarchic gear and an extremely rare chance at other rewards.

[Packetdancer]

Honestly, I'd be inclined to say that such "cynicism" is warranted, after all, SE is responsible to their shareholders above all else. The issue is that they failed to account for the precedent they've set with previous content; generally, the rewards from a duty are fairly closely tied to the difficulty of that duty. I'd place DR at about the same difficulty level as Emerald Extreme, but where EmEX gave both a mount and semi-casual players' BiS weapons, DR gives some zhuzhed up Exarchic gear and an extremely rare chance at other rewards.

Honestly, I've seen the 'rare' drops of one form or another in Delubrum more often than I have seen the mount drop in EmEx. I have won the hairstyle and three orchestrion rolls in Delubrum; I've seen the mount drop once in EmEx. Total.

(I rolled a 97. Someone else won it with a 98. I'm not salty, noooo, why do you ask?)

Doesn't meant the drop rate is good, mind you, but I'm not sure contrasting it with EmEx and saying EmEx has better loot tables is the direction I'd go with this one.

[Arkevorkhat]

Honestly, I've seen the 'rare' drops of one form or another in Delubrum more often than I have seen the mount drop in EmEx. I have won the hairstyle and three orchestrion rolls in Delubrum; I've seen the mount drop once in EmEx. Total.

(I rolled a 97. Someone else won it with a 98. I'm not salty, noooo, why do you ask?)

Doesn't meant the drop rate is good, mind you, but I'm not sure contrasting it with EmEx and saying EmEx has better loot tables is the direction I'd go with this one.

The issue with that is that in EmEX, a single drop is only being shared by 8 people at most. In contrast, DR is sharing a comparably rare drop with 24 people, giving any single person a 3x lower chance of getting the item.

[Packetdancer]

The issue with that is that in EmEX, a single drop is only being shared by 8 people at most. In contrast, DR is sharing a comparably rare drop with 24 people, giving any single person a 3x lower chance of getting the item.

While you're correct on EmEx, I actually don't think the loot table is shared in Delubrum; since the chests are personal spoils you don't need to roll on, I suspect the contents of the chest are determined without regards to the contents of someone else's chest.

[SturmChurro]

I finally got my 50 run achievement just now, and got The Queen Awakes roll(finally!) still no barding(completely forgot there is one that drops there), and still need one more hair for myself. It really does need a 5% boost to drop rates(most of them are probably already at 1-5% drop rate as is)

Same! Earlier today, DR is what I've been doing all day past couple days. I think I have 52 clears now, NOT ONE, I repeat, NOT ONE, single hair, barding, or mount. It's completely ridiculous. I told myself if I didn't get the hair in 15 runs I would just buy it... so I did!

Also, this has been irritating me to no end..

I have gotten quite a few duplicates of some of these pieces, but I only have 1 sword guy, and the raid doesn't even have the common courtesy to let me complete TWO sets! (decor)

I can get having a few rare rewards, but I don't understand why they're so stingy on everything else. Silver Coins just aren't enough of a reward to make it feel worth your while and have very limited use. You don't get mettle, tomes or exp and you get a pittance in fragments. Fragments especially I don't understand when the whole instance is designed around us using them, yet you can go an entire run and end up with none. We should be getting several per boss at the least.

I know we like to joke about glamour being the "true endgame" but Enix time and time again overestimate how much we care about it. This was a big reason Castrum died, because they honestly thought 500-1000 coins for a 495 glamour item would be enough to make us spam it 50 times.

The reward structure for Bozja as a whole has been really bad. Silver coins might as well be throwaway; trash. No mettle - you lose mettle, no tomes, no exp, and yeah pittance in fragments. It's awful, the only real reason to do DR is for the relic step, and to top it all off the relic is only really worth it if you like the look of it!

I agree. They really overestimated the players want for not only these weapons, but also the near-unobtainable Dyeable judge gear. It's baffling to me! At the VERY least if they are going to try and produce some long term filler, or padding, make it worthwhile - this is barely so. With these droprates, even the stuff people want is so hard to get, they might as well give up and just buy it from somebody who had rng on their side!

I hate to be cynical, however I suspect it's because they know very little in the way of new content is coming. Therefore, they're arbitrarily trying to prolong the lifespan, especially for players who return to the game as Endwalker looms closer.

Ironically, I think such stinginess actually has the opposite effect.

Exactly!

Honestly, I'd be inclined to say that such "cynicism" is warranted, after all, SE is responsible to their shareholders above all else. The issue is that they failed to account for the precedent they've set with previous content; generally, the rewards from a duty are fairly closely tied to the difficulty of that duty.

It's all cheap padding. That's it. Find some random content, make people do it. Ivalice raids, or more specifically Rabanastre, might as well be just as mindless as CT. Actually I HATE the HW raids more than CT, it took me a full week to get myself through Void Ark ALONE!

[Iscah]

I know we like to joke about glamour being the "true endgame" but Enix time and time again overestimate how much we care about it. This was a big reason Castrum died, because they honestly thought 500-1000 coins for a 495 glamour item would be enough to make us spam it 50 times.

Semantics perhaps, but I don't think they're overestimating how much we care, but how much we're willing to put ourselves through because of that care.

Ultimately I didn't like the Judge gear that much, but if I did - yes I would still care very much that I wanted it, but it wouldn't make me willing to go through the grind to get it. One dyeable outfit isn't worth that effort.