Gil stolen through market board

[Shibi]

There isn't a way to tell from a character model if someone is auto-clicking or doing it manually after all so I feel like player assumptions that a ton of other people are all doing it is still possible.

There are two ways, the MOST obvious is when they ae still clicking the placard a few hours later. I won my FC building, and went to bed (it was 2am) I came back after sleeping and at 9am there were still three people clicking.

The other is the clockwork nature of the auto-clicker, anyone who has done the click/keypad sequence for many hours knows that you slip the sequence, muff it up, have to stop, have to run around the plot three times to stay awake... The auto-clicker never breaks the rythm.

But it's the most obvious one most people are familiar with. The auto-clicker wins, and an hour later is still clicking away at their own placard.

[Penthea]

But it's rather a different thing when you touch off a script, walk away, and let the computer just keep doing it for you without you being present at all.

Yea people with disabilities use tools to help them play the game. Setting up a set of automated commands and walking away from your gaming rig or tabbing out is not playing the game. If OP had at least kept an eye on what their character was doing this thread wouldn't even exist.

Technically, both players involved are in the wrong as one was presumably using third party software while the other was using a known exploit to get their retainer into a position to make the "stealing" happen...but I don't have much remorse for the former.

OP paid the price for not having enough sense to at least keep an eye on the game. It's very obvious when a plot has been bought. The buyer had enough time to buy the plot, put up a house, set up a retainer in the garden in a strategic position and put up items for sale. Doing all that isn't an instantaneous process. It's a lot of steps. Had OP been paying any attention they would have stopped their character from auto clicking before the house buyer even had the chance to put items up for sale.

I don't agree with a person abusing a situation to steal a person's gil regardless of the reason, but OP was asking for something bad to happen by not paying even the smallest amount of attention to the game. Their activities (or lack there of) put them in a prime position to be reported, have their gil stolen or both. They tried to cheat with the least effort possible and it blew up in their face.

And the cherry on top is they come to the forums essentially complaining that their attempt to cheat resulted in their gil getting stolen. Big oof.

[Barwara]

Doesn't matter what your personal viewpoint is. Using 3rd party programs in the game is against ToS and is cheating.

Hey look, you’re right. Opinions don’t matter in this situation so I take it back. Using scripts is against the rules so it’s cheating, and there’s no point in debating it further. I still stand by my original point, and I don’t care if you don’t agree: there’s no difference to me between someone using a script and someone clicking for hours. On one side you’re breaking the rules, on the other you are perpetuating the system. You may prefer to hate only the bots, but that’s your choice. I blame both at the same time, or none at all.

That’s all there is to it.

[Wrestlefire769]

did this mans just admit to breaking ToS?

Sounds like it.

[Batbrat]

Actually, there's no valid excuse for using a bot.
If you want a house you don't actually have to sit there clicking it every two seconds. Click it like once every hour or so casually. You can get work done and do a lot of cleaning and other things around the house and then once an hour goes by, come try a click. I don't know why some pretend you have to be glued at your screen in your chair clicking non-stop, that isnt the truth at all. If no one was using bots to begin with, there wouldnt be this panic feeling that people have that they're supposed to be clicking so much. You people who use bots are your own problems. There's no excuse. If you're trying to say that there is, you are too whiny and I suspect your room is also filthy. Perch yourself outside of a plot and go clean your room. Alternatively, get an apartment and decorate that in the meantime. Most people cause a big fuss to get a house and then never do anything with it, we've all seen it a million times by now. If you're that dead set on having a space, buy one then-go on, go on. Let's see what you've done with it.

Also, if you auto click and someone swindles you out of your gil then that is exactly what you get as well as what you deserve, now go save up more gil and try that again in a few months when 1,000+ more plots open in the Fall.

[Kes13a]

Hey look, you’re right. Opinions don’t matter in this situation so I take it back. Using scripts is against the rules so it’s cheating, and there’s no point in debating it further. I still stand by my original point, and I don’t care if you don’t agree: there’s no difference to me between someone using a script and someone clicking for hours. On one side you’re breaking the rules, on the other you are perpetuating the system. You may prefer to hate only the bots, but that’s your choice. I blame both at the same time, or none at all.

That’s all there is to it.

So your viewpoint is that as long as you work for your money, its okay as a justification. So average person slogging away at a job is "perpetuating the system" while bank robbers etc are just "rule breakers" and dont deserve what they get. everyone is blameless, or to be blamed.

weird sense of morality to be honest

personally, I dislike cheaters. automation of a process is not playing teh game, so bots, auto clickers, generally not good for teh game, but great for those that want to cheat to get ahead.

I understand you have a broader view, the system is broken so its okay to do so, because the system makes you do it.

unfortunately, in this case, broken or not, the system has rules against this. so regardless, its cheating plain and simple. there are no other viewpoints since by game rules, its called cheating. and is explained as such in the rules we all digitally agree to, even you.

[Barwara]

I understand you have a broader view, the system is broken so its okay to do so, because the system makes you do it.

I don’t think you understand, but that’s okay. It seems most people don’t understand what the others are writing.

I’m saying not to do either things; don’t cheat, don’t click. The system is broken so don’t indulge it. And if you do, then you either get banned for cheating or you waste your time/accept it as a valid system because you partake in it.

[Doozer]

I don’t think you understand, but that’s okay. It seems most people don’t understand what the others are writing.

I’m saying not to do either things; don’t cheat, don’t click. The system is broken so don’t indulge it. And if you do, then you either get banned for cheating or you waste your time/accept it as a valid system because you partake in it.

Actually, it's more like: Click endlessly if you want to, just don't complain no matter the result because you put yourself there, and cheat if you want to, but know that it's against the rules and many people would love to see you get permanently banned for your greed and hubris.

Let people make their own choices, no matter how stupid they are, but the consequences are always on them. You choose, you pay the price, full stop.

[SnowVix]

Eh.

I had a friend who had severe nerve damage in his hands sustained during his military service. He had a lot of trouble playing MMOs, even though he enjoyed them a lot. I do not think anyone would've held it against him if he had, say, a one-button macro on his keyboard to do things like the button-mash for Active Time Maneuvers or whatnot, so that he didn't end up in agony.

And I know a lot of people who have a macro-key on gaming keyboards that'll do something like smack Numpad 0 repeatedly (like, 7 or 8 times with a small delay between them), just so that in Praetorium during MSQ roulette they can click the elevator and hit that macro to slip through quickly, rather than getting interrupted if they happen to have mobs aggroed on them (and thus unable to go through the elevator and thus dying).

But the key difference there is that there is someone there pushing the button; it requires someone actively and literally at the keys. It's assistive input, yes, but I'd argue that's not really automation. If people were doing the placards that way, they'd have a single macro key that did '0, 0, 4, 0' or whatever, and then they'd push that macro key, see it fail, and push the key again.

i'd say those are no different from using a turbo controller which is not against the ToS at all

[TurtlesAWD]

Also, why in the world should manual clickers be punished?

My point is broadly that both manual or using a tool to do so are a circumvention of the system, and because I don't see a difference in terms of the impact on other players, I don't think punishing either is more effective than a change to the system.

I don't think it's impossible for a manual clicker to fall for the same retainer trick either, to be honest. If I was clicking something for 12 hours straight I would 100% be watching something on the side. Not even sure I'd have the game sound on - the housing district theme would probably start to drive me nuts after a while.