People who like Bozja/Eureka, I would like your input

[Packetdancer]

Yeah, it seems to me they designed this new relic+armor to be long term filler grind content

I don't disagree, but I feel like this statement is true of all relic weapons anyway. It's not like Zodiac weapons or Anima weapons were designed to be completed in an evening, and Eureka weapons are one heck of a grind. Eureka even threw in a bonus armor grind as well!

Like it or hate it, I don't feel like the long-term grind for this should be a surprise.

I'd actually argue the new Law's Order stuff is a great deal more generous than Eureka; the pieces cost 2 or 3 of the Gold Bozjan Coins, and you can get 3 per week for just running Delubrum Reginae once.

[SturmChurro]

I don't disagree, but I feel like this statement is true of all relic weapons anyway. It's not like Zodiac weapons or Anima weapons were designed to be completed in an evening, and Eureka weapons are one heck of a grind. Eureka even threw in a bonus armor grind as well!

Like it or hate it, I don't feel like the long-term grind for this should be a surprise.

I'd actually argue the new Law's Order stuff is a great deal more generous than Eureka; the pieces cost 2 or 3 of the Gold Bozjan Coins, and you can get 3 per week for just running Delubrum Reginae once.

I mean, I know relic grind is supposed to be filler, but I feel like all this is kind of excessive. For the regular armor yeah, the dyable armor variant is another story - which is what I was talking about. For regular armor, I'll probably grab healer and caster, but the others, I may just casually pick up. Like I said most look pretty bad on my au ra. The aiming (iirc) top looks really bad in general. Has a dump truck butt.

[Packetdancer]

I mean, I know relic grind is supposed to be filler, but I feel like all this is kind of excessive. For the regular armor yeah, the dyable armor variant is another story - which is what I was talking about. For regular armor, I'll probably grab healer and caster, but the others, I may just casually pick up. Like I said most look pretty bad on my au ra. The aiming (iirc) top looks really bad in general. Has a dump truck butt.

Fair.

To elaborate, I was thinking that the Elemental Armor was a pretty chonky grind, since you had to pick up the base Elemental Armor in Pyros with a honkload of Pyros crystals (which you therefore could not use on your relic weapon), then augment said armor in Hydatos with Hydatos crystals (which, again, means you couldn't use them for your Hydatos weapon), and then gather materials in the Baldesion Arsenal to finish the upgrades.

In contrast, the costs of the base armor here aren't bad, and the currency you use is not what's shared with the weapon augmentation; the grind to augment is pretty brutal, considering you need to augment the base Bozjan resistance gear, and get the base Law's Order gear, and get the Secrets used to augment it as well. So you'll be at it for A While, but at least you aren't stealing from your weapon's progression to aid armor progression.

But the base Bozjan stuff can't be dyed, where the base Elemental stuff can. So... yeah, if you just want a plain-but-dyeable set for glam (or use in general gameplay, where the Elemental or Bozjan effects gained with augmentation have no meaning), Eureka's definitely less of a grindfest since you can just get the stuff in Pyros and call it a day.

And it sounds like that was what you were aiming for, so from that perspective, I concede the point.

[Seraphor]

I don't disagree, but I feel like this statement is true of all relic weapons anyway. It's not like Zodiac weapons or Anima weapons were designed to be completed in an evening, and Eureka weapons are one heck of a grind. Eureka even threw in a bonus armor grind as well!

Like it or hate it, I don't feel like the long-term grind for this should be a surprise.

I'd actually argue the new Law's Order stuff is a great deal more generous than Eureka; the pieces cost 2 or 3 of the Gold Bozjan Coins, and you can get 3 per week for just running Delubrum Reginae once.

The surprise is that it's infinitely more viable to do the relic grind outside of the content that was designed for it.
Memory drops in Bozja should be comparable to memory drops outside, so that people actually play Bozja and it's not a dead instance in a weeks time.

[Packetdancer]

The surprise is that it's infinitely more viable to do the relic grind outside of the content that was designed for it.
Memory drops in Bozja should be comparable to memory drops outside, so that people actually play Bozja and it's not a dead instance in a weeks time.

Yeah, I have no idea what happened there, but I'm in agreement with you.

I can understand making the drop rate for Memories in Bozja lower than outside; the balance is that I can run Crystal Tower raids and get one guaranteed drop of one type of Memory, whereas in Bozja I can be doing skirmishes and critical engagements and such and potentially get some combination of many different memories (Harrowing, Sorrowful, Tortured, Bitter, Loathsome, etc.) -- as well as stuff like Lockboxes and Bozjan Clusters and Forgotten Fragments. Bozja gives you the convenience of grinding multiple stages at once, so you can have several relic weapons in flight, at the cost of uncertainty since you never know which ones will drop; doing stuff outside Bozja gives you the surety of guaranteed drops, but at the cost of only advancing one relic step in a given duty.

But right now, the drop rate for, say, Loathsome memories in Bozja is so bad that I could literally farm all 15 that I'd need through Crystal Tower before I even saw one drop while running Bozja content for that same amount of time. And that seems like a balance issue.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I like using the Lost Actions/Essences here. If you played Pyros/Hydatos like I did, making use of them felt special and rewarding. [Not that I am going to convince you anyway.] If it was put in the open world, might as well discard the MMO role Trinity altogether for this game.

The mounts, minions, emotes, and various rewards are icing on the cake.

Skirmishes are just fates, but Critical Engagements are similar in difficulty to the likes of Hashmal, Construct 7, and all bosses in Orbonne Monstary (not counting pre-nerf Thunder God of course).

At the end of the day, I enjoyed the Bozja more than I enjoyed Eureka (including Pyros/Hydatos), and I made use of the rewards I earned from that place without taking them for granted.

They could improve the rewards for Castrum though by adding mettle and EXP.

[OvernightSiren]

I love Eureka and hate Bozja.

I think a lot of people who just bluntly hate Eureka never saw it to the end, and by the end the devs found how to make Eureka really good.

If they'd just taken all the best parts of Eureka Pyros and Hydatos and made *that* into Bozja, we'd have good content. But Bozja as it is is completely hollow.