I appear to have already missed the boat on bozja

[Vickii]

Other comments have indicated a live letter said the continuing relic steps may be tied to completing the story in Bozja.

There’s something about you having to complete the new raid in 5.45 I’m pretty sure. We don’t know this is tied to story but it’s safe to assume it is.

I think it’s most likely you’ll need to ‘complete’ the bozja story and unlock the instances, but they’re keeping it so you don’t need to ‘grind’ bozja beyond getting minimal rank to do instances.

They never said people didn’t have to do Bozja for any of it, they were just talking about one step when they said that.

[Alleo]

There’s something about you having to complete the new raid in 5.45 I’m pretty sure. We don’t know this is tied to story but it’s safe to assume it is.

I think it’s most likely you’ll need to ‘complete’ the bozja story and unlock the instances, but they’re keeping it so you don’t need to ‘grind’ bozja beyond getting minimal rank to do instances.

They never said people didn’t have to do Bozja for any of it, they were just talking about one step when they said that.

One of the biggest complaints about Eureka was that it was the only way to get the "relicweapon" which before that always was done by grinding old content. If I remember it correctly they did point out that this would be different with Bozja. So are people wrong to assume that it means that you can do it completely without Bozja? If they hint at there being more than one path to get there it just does not fit that suddenly the next steps still needs Bozja...

Also lets not say that its only completing the story...doing that is a huge part of bozja alone..which means quite some hours of grind in it. Thats far from giving us a choice...the other path only is truly there if you want to do more than one relic or if you still need some more items after you completed one bozja region. I doubt that most people would do more than one relic after all its the casual version of a great weapon. So for those that truly only want one they are still forced to do the content that was said to be optional...

It would be like saying: The stormblood weapon has more than one path BUT you still need to do all eureka maps, its story and BA to keep doing the other paths..

As someone that did not like all of the grind that the ARR and HW relics provided I still would have chosen them over these two...but since they suddenly want to tell deeper stories even in those questlines it kinda has to connect to each other thus people are forced to do it one after the other...which is a shame because content like that often has a limited time where a lot of people do it...if BA and now castrum did not exist it might be more doable because you could slowly grind towards your weapon solo but with those two instances you are always forced to get help from others...

[RyuDragnier]

There’s something about you having to complete the new raid in 5.45 I’m pretty sure. We don’t know this is tied to story but it’s safe to assume it is.

I think it’s most likely you’ll need to ‘complete’ the bozja story and unlock the instances, but they’re keeping it so you don’t need to ‘grind’ bozja beyond getting minimal rank to do instances.

They never said people didn’t have to do Bozja for any of it, they were just talking about one step when they said that.

If I were them, I'd make doing the Castrums the faster method for getting the weapon upgrades. It keeps them being run and basically prevents the problem we're having now with nobody running the current Castrum.

[Colt47]

If I were them, I'd make doing the Castrums the faster method for getting the weapon upgrades. It keeps them being run and basically prevents the problem we're having now with nobody running the current Castrum.

Castrum's problem is linked to the level of coordination one needs to run it. Most community events like fate trains, hunt trains, map runs, and to some extent the big raids all require a very minimal amount of team coordination to accomplish. To breach the front gates of Castrum and optimize rewards, the entire group needs to actually stop and think about how they do the floors.

[RyuDragnier]

Castrum's problem is linked to the level of coordination one needs to run it. Most community events like fate trains, hunt trains, map runs, and to some extent the big raids all require a very minimal amount of team coordination to accomplish. To breach the front gates of Castrum and optimize rewards, the entire group needs to actually stop and think about how they do the floors.

Castrum takes minimum coordination as well.

First boss: Check to see if there's about even amounts of people up top and bottom, then start the fight.
During "add boss": Check to see which party is going to which hallway, diagonals first. Clear your diagonal? Immediately go to the central lane of your side to clear that
Third boss: Make a party of people who have done top or who know the boss's mechanics, send them up top when the mechanic comes while everybody else just keeps fighting the main boss.

That's barely any effort. The entire place is an absolute joke to coordinate in, and I'm tired of people acting like the bare minimum of conversation is massive coordination.

[Jennah]

...but since they suddenly want to tell deeper stories even in those questlines...

All the Bozja cutscenes are on YouTube. If - like myself and many others, you find the story the ONLY reason you would ever, ever, EVER consider setting foot in another Eureka - watching the story on YouTube is a much better option.

Shame that it's come to that; I haven't felt the need to do so since coil in 2.x.

[Losara]

Will regret not getting the Siege Liege title which requires 50 completed runs of Castrum Lacus Litore. Got perhaps half of that before the patch hit. It would be great if it carried across to the next zone whenever it is released.

[SturmChurro]

Castrum takes minimum coordination as well.

First boss: Check to see if there's about even amounts of people up top and bottom, then start the fight.
During "add boss": Check to see which party is going to which hallway, diagonals first. Clear your diagonal? Immediately go to the central lane of your side to clear that
Third boss: Make a party of people who have done top or who know the boss's mechanics, send them up top when the mechanic comes while everybody else just keeps fighting the main boss.

That's barely any effort. The entire place is an absolute joke to coordinate in, and I'm tired of people acting like the bare minimum of conversation is massive coordination.

Not true. I've been in attempts with even splits, and much of the time one side will do incredibly more damage than the other, or players will keep dying to things over and over - it's actually baffling. Anything that requires even minimum coordination is a huge barrier of entry for many players of this game, and I am not being hyperbolic.

[Vahlnir]

Not true. I've been in attempts with even splits, and much of the time one side will do incredibly more damage than the other, or players will keep dying to things over and over - it's actually baffling. Anything that requires even minimum coordination is a huge barrier of entry for many players of this game, and I am not being hyperbolic.

Pretty much my experience almost every time I enter Castrum. The first boss breaks just about every pug, even if there is an effort to split evenly on the top and bottom. Some simply don't know how mechanics works, apparently. That requires practice though. Not really much of an excuse for mechanics that have been shown time and again, however.

[Driavna]

Not true. I've been in attempts with even splits, and much of the time one side will do incredibly more damage than the other, or players will keep dying to things over and over - it's actually baffling. Anything that requires even minimum coordination is a huge barrier of entry for many players of this game, and I am not being hyperbolic.

It's not coordination but enrage timers. As always bothering with lost actions helps a lot but most don't care.