Possible Ideas to Address Hrothgar/Viera Hat Disparity?

[HyperiusUltima]

I agree. I don't know why SE thought they needed to place the ears the way they are, I'd rather have them place them in a way that wouldn't prevent the use of hats and older hairstyles.
While I do understand that they simply made them the same way that Fran's ears work I just feel like it wasn't necessary. It's a different game so our Viera could have looked different, even if Fran made an appearance at some point.

Technically Fran DID show up at one point in the Ivalice Raid Series, typically towards Part 3. But, from reading the thread so far, I'm seeing a lot of constructive discussion(along with some people just passing off on it and saying #DeleteHrothgar and #DeleteViera on the side as a minority).

In general, that response about hair culling sounds like an idea, which is what I was thinking about towards the end of my first post. In a 3D Model, couldn't you just split the hair into pieces so that you can cull certain parts of Hrothgar hair while keeping style? That would make the most sense to me as a solution since you're just creating another part - but then you'd have to consider the extra parts that connect to the Hrothgar's skeleton, which technically they've made hair all one big part. Cutting it up into separate pieces and labeling would take time, but it'd be worth it to be able to wear hats.

As for Viera...I'm just going to say that 'some' hats probably aren't made for them to wear. Like the pointy hats. We can technically just point that out, as much as people would like mage Viera to wear pointy hats. Just consider how culling ears would be - it'd make them look just like a Female Hyur if it weren't for how much taller they are - and I think people want Viera to show off them bun ears.

[HyperiusUltima]

For most Disciple of War gear that isn't pointy, Viera can certainly just have ears clip into them provided the top isn't overly ornate with decoration(hence 'cutting the ears in half' as said earlier). It's when we get to most beginning Disciple of Magic Gear and some later gear for Disciple of Magic(which, mind you, isn't as prominent with 'cutting the ears'. Just some RDM Gear like the Tricornes and some other things among the 100s of headpieces you can wear). Allowing clipping in at least those that don't cut the ears would make sense, no?

[ICountFrom0]

Give us an advanced menue somewhere, hide it away, maybe require command line use for it.

Forced hat visability on.
Followed by "hair culling"
and or
Ear clipping.

Let us wear hats, even if the result is horrible. Let the ears of the Vii clip through, or not, by our own toggle.

Some of these things would be of use elsewhere, I've worn a number of hats when I was an elf, where my hair was a wild thing that escaped, if I could turn it off... well... that would have been nice.

[SturmChurro]

Yep Which also makes me wonder if this is why Viera at least can't use any of the Modern Aesthetics.

Those hairstyles do have the second hat-compatible model, so then we'd either have a few hat-compatible hairstyles making it terribly inconsistent, or they'd have to go through every headgear item and force it to remain hidden when the character is a Viera in combination with that particular hairstyle.

But maybe that's tinfoil hat territory.

I think they could probably do it, including modern aesthetics hair, if they really wanted to. It probably is time-consuming, or at least too time-consuming for them to bother. Considering they already stated Viera wouldn't have hats, why bother?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

If not sooner, then 6.0
I think its logical that they would take a whole expansion to work on these well addressed and known issues. Even if they arn't communicating with us and being transparant, Im sure they well agree with the community that it should be adjusted and fixed. And its not a simple issue they can just haste through, and Im sure they dont want to just haste with a little bandaid.
Being lazy about it I think would be worse then not fixing it at all.

Fix the whole issue, not just part of it.

[Lumivyory]

Technically Fran DID show up at one point in the Ivalice Raid Series, typically towards Part 3.

Oh, I know, but maybe my phrasing was bad, sorry, not a native English speaker :'D
But the point still stands, I'd rather look different from Fran than suffer from the lack of hairstyles and headgear. Also an unpopular opinion - I can't stand the racial Viera gear which adds to me wishing they didn't base Viera of off Fran.

I suppose all we can do is wait and hope that SE heard the community and possibly will release a big update to both Viera and Hroth when 6.0 comes out. Maybe even with the missing genders everyone is asking for, if we're lucky enough.

[Dyvid]

It's seems like they did a complete redesign for the heads. Why the just didn't use the existing head models as a template the add what is need to make the Viera and Hrothgar. It may not have turned out as well but you wouldn't have locked out everything the players had earned.

[Alacran]

I guess i'm the only one that feels both Viera & Hrothgar options were sacrificed due to the uniqueness of the Hrothgar head build.

Since both had unique issues with Viera ears & Hrothgar heads, the fact that simply allowing ears to clip through for Viera would have been highlighted by the fact Hrothgar cannot even change their hair style without a phial of Fantasia...

I feel the fact that certain aspects of both races need to be addressed first.

Namely, the fact that no in game rewards/ mog station purchases have warnings that specific items (hair & hat/helm) cannot be visually seen with Viera/ Hrothgar. If for nothing more, to allow players to make more informed decisions before buying mog station items they cannot use as intended, therefore wasting gil & much worse actual cash.

At the end of the day, this really is not an issue for me as i have only have one of each race as alts & those are very rarely ever used. However for those that use them as their main, i cannot begin to imagine the frustration buying items in game or worse, from the mog station that my character can't even visually show off.

[reivaxe]

I agree. I don't know why SE thought they needed to place the ears the way they are, I'd rather have them place them in a way that wouldn't prevent the use of hats and older hairstyles.
While I do understand that they simply made them the same way that Fran's ears work I just feel like it wasn't necessary. It's a different game so our Viera could have looked different, even if Fran made an appearance at some point.

It's seems like they did a complete redesign for the heads. Why the just didn't use the existing head models as a template the add what is need to make the Viera and Hrothgar. It may not have turned out as well but you wouldn't have locked out everything the players had earned.

Here's the thing ... people asked for Viera. Fran is what you think of when you think Viera. They are an established races in FF lore/ games with a canon look. They 100% added in Viera just to please people like myself who begged for Viera/ Fran, not because the game "needed" a random mammal-human race that would look 98% human. They can't really know that people would sploosh over "Updated Miqote with longer ears (their ears are NOT in the same position as Viera as is so this would legit just be kitty head with upscaled and altered ears) and a bunny tail!" even though that would likely be more popular than the Viera are now. Doing things that way would allow them to treat them like Miqote, allow them to have all the head stuff they have ... but they wouldn't look like Viera and if it's just a knock-off Miqote then is there even a reason for it?

To put it a different way, Hrothgar got added cause people and the devs wanted a beastly race. What would have happened if the devs gave us ... something with this as it's head? Sure, it would be more beastly than Miqote and it would be hella popular to and have all the same head stuff as Miqote. But at the end of the day it would just be a Miqote with fluffy fox ears, a doggy/ fox nose and a fluffy fox/ wolf tail. It wouldn't be that much more furry than what's already in the game so it wouldn't fill that void for a furry/ beastly race.

Were they right? IDK, I disagree with their design decisions for making these 2 races and I FULLY expect that if we ever see the missing genders they may not suffer the same design decisions that lead to these limitations as to actually show they "learned from this lesson" for the same reason I expect they will either A- Never make another limited job or B- Make the next limited job work in a way that addresses the issues with Blu.
That being said I can't fault them for trying to give people what they asked for. Again, people didn't ask for bunny Miqote, they (WE, I've been asking for Viera since before HW) asked for Viera/ Fren. If people had asked for ... human-red panda like characters that look human mostly for "A BIRD race!" I'm sure they woulda made up a name and look that allowed that idea to be a thing in FF14 with zero limits like how the Draggos were made up because people voted for a Reptile race a long time ago.

[Raikai]

There's already a setting to turn ears completely off they could use for hats that are large enough to feasibly fit the ears inside them, they wouldn't need to worry about them coming out the sides or top of the hat.



They can't just let the ears clip through more items because the ears aren't really the problem in most cases, it's the hair. The only reason the hood models work on us is because they make you bald underneath, a select few helmets that completely replace the head and hair also work, and small items that sit on top of the hair like a hairpin and don't require any further modification to the hair itself.

The bigger reason we don't have more (but definitely not all) working headgear isn't the ears clipping through or Hrothgar's face proportions at all, but the fact that they didn't make 2 models of the same hairstyle like they normally do that hide parts of the hair where the hat would sit when you equip it. Because this second, partially culled 'hat-hairstyle' doesn't exist for Viera and Hrothgar, if you were to force certain hats to show like in the image I posted earlier then the Hrothgar simply goes bald and Viera's ears and hair clips straight through it.

If they made partially culled 'hat-versions' of our hairstyles like they normally do then a lot more items would be able to be used while either hiding the ears or letting them clip through where appropriate.

Oh wow... Didn't realize that the hairstyles actually had no hat adaptible option at all! good point... Though, if it's mostly about that, then it's even lamer, because Viera and Hroth doesn't even have a lot of hairstyles to begin with. It's literally just a matter of work, to adapt the hairstyles, and not just some crazy tinkering holding them back.